Fulham Post Match Thread

[cled the red]

I've had a day to get over my disappointment, and have quickly scanned this thread so apologies if I make points already made:-

1. The ref wasn't very good

2. Howver he got one decision right, and don't shoot me down in flames - the red card was spot on. It was reckless, two footed with studs showing. It is irrespective that he won the ball 1st - as the rules are nowdays (rightly or wrongly) you cannot make challenges that endanger an opponent and this tackle clearly did.

3. Suarez was onside - gaol of the season chalked off

4. We should have had one, maybe two penalties.

5. We should have been playing against 9 men by the end of the game (Dempsey & Senderos).

6. The woodwork is really beginning to piss me off!!!

7. For those who don't rate Lucas, watch last night's game - how often did Clint Dempsey get room between the midfield and back 4.

8. Top 4 is going to be hard to achieve - but I still believe!!!

[Kenneth]

I don't. And I'm still in the 'football is a shot game' frame of mind.

Edit: **** you Apple. **** you. I must have corrected shot to **** a millions times and it still ****ing does it. It's my ****ing iPod and I will use it to type **** if I want to FFS!

[Exiled_red]

I don't. And I'm still in the 'football is a shot game' frame of mind.

Edit: **** you Apple. **** you. I must have corrected shot to **** a millions times and it still ****ing does it. It's my ****ing iPod and I will use it to type **** if I want to FFS!

[Norbs]

No way. He came flying in at such a speed that he could have easily broken the blokes leg. Come on. It was an extremely dangerous tackle. If an opposition player had done exactly that to Suarez and seriously injured him, we'd all be baying for blood.

He was off the ground, both feet in the air, studs showing AND he made contact with the man. Spearing gave the ref a decision to make.

Seen far more contentious red cards given than that one.

He stretches to get the ball and then lifts his left foot to avoid making contact with Dembele, IMO. The left foot makes no contact at all, and is therefore not a studs to shin challenge at all. The right (lower) foot has cleared the ball a second or so before the challenge in which case it's Dembele going in late and not the other way round

Most important factor is that he doesn't even connect with the ball 'studs first' but instead side foots it. The act of falling over is what alters his foot position but there's totally no malice intended

[kris90210]

He stretches to get the ball and then lifts his left foot to avoid making contact with Dembele, IMO. The left foot makes no contact at all, and is therefore not a studs to shin challenge at all. The right (lower) foot has cleared the ball a second or so before the challenge in which case it's Dembele going in late and not the other way round

Most important factor is that he doesn't even connect with the ball 'studs first' but instead side foots it. The act of falling over is what alters his foot position but there's totally no malice intended

You've got to be living on a different planet to think that's not a dangerous tackle. You're breaking the movement down as though it was all slow motion and everyone has all the time in the world. You're talking fractions of a second here mate. If Jay had misstimed that even slightly he could have easily have broken the fellas leg. It was a dangerous challenge, and just because I'm a Liverpool fan, I'm not going to pretend it wasn't.

Watch his ankle once Jay makes contact.

[Kenneth]

Never a red card that. I'm not looking for excuses for the loss, I never do, but that is not a sending off offence.

[Vermilion]

Never a red card that. I'm not looking for excuses for the loss, I never do, but that is not a sending off offence.

Gets the ball cleanly, but the sneaky side of me is saying he lifted or kept his left leg high on purpose afterwards, but still not really a red even if he did imo, the contact on the ankle is the dangerous bit though, and i don't think that was in any way intentional.

[Lecter]

You've got to be living on a different planet to think that's not a dangerous tackle. You're breaking the movement down as though it was all slow motion and everyone has all the time in the world. You're talking fractions of a second here mate. If Jay had misstimed that even slightly he could have easily have broken the fellas leg. It was a dangerous challenge, and just because I'm a Liverpool fan, I'm not going to pretend it wasn't.

Watch his ankle once Jay makes contact.

Speaking from planet Mars I dont think it was dangerous

A dangerous tackle to me is done with intent

There was no malice with that he had eyes on the ball and every attempt was to play the ball, yes he followed through but that was his momentum

I must admit I'm saddened these days, football is turning into a non-contact sport

FFS you cant even tackle these days

In 10 years time the only thing players will be able to do is politely ask the opposition to give them the ball

[Kenneth]

Gets the ball cleanly, but the sneaky side of me is saying he lifted or kept his leg high on purpose afterwards, but still not really a red even if he did imo.

He can't have known that Dembele was going to put his left leg there when he went into the tackle and I don't believe he reacted to it in real time.

Jay gets booked, everyone accepts it and the incident is never mentioned again. But not with that ref.

[kris90210]

Well if you boys are right, then we should appeal. The 'evidence' is clear as day. Two footed and leaves the ground with studs showing. It's a red card boys.

[Kenneth]

It wasn't a 2 footed tackle though. He tackled with his right foot.

[kris90210]

Speaking from planet Mars I dont think it was dangerous

A dangerous tackle to me is done with intent

There was no malice with that he had eyes on the ball and every attempt was to play the ball, yes he followed through but that was his momentum

I must admit I'm saddened these days, football is turning into a non-contact sport

FFS you cant even tackle these days

In 10 years time the only thing players will be able to do is politely ask the opposition to give them the ball

Nonsense. Whether the challenge is malicious or not has NOTHING to do with how dangerous it is. Are referees supposed to instantly psychoanalyse the players now as well?

Did Shawcross intend to break Ramsey's leg? I don't think for one second he did. Was it a dangerous challenge? Absolutely. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples but that's the first that springs to mind.

[Lecter]

Never a red card that. I'm not looking for excuses for the loss, I never do, but that is not a sending off offence.

The thing is we want consistency and the referee was far from that (well he was consistantly ****ing ****)

IF that was a red card (and the ref is using the letter of the law) then Dempsey should have gone as well for puting his head in Bellamy's face

How the hell Bellamy could get a yellow card (the same as Dempseys) for his part in those handbags I'll never know

Also how Senderos can be booked for the Adam tackle yet get off with the Carroll rugby tackle is beyond belief

That is the worst refereeing performance I have seen for sometime (and that is saying something!!!))

[kris90210]

The thing is we want consistency and the referee was far from that (well he was consistantly ****ing ****)

IF that was a red card (and the ref is using the letter of the law) then Dempsey should have gone as well for puting his head in Bellamy's face

How the hell Bellamy could get a yellow card (the same as Dempseys) for his part in those handbags I'll never know

Also how Senderos can be booked for the Adam tackle yet get off with the Carroll rugby tackle is beyond belief

That is the worst refereeing performance I have seen for sometime (and that is saying something!!!))

Agree with all of that, apart from the red obviously

[Lecter]

Nonsense. Whether the challenge is malicious or not has NOTHING to do with how dangerous it is. Are referees supposed to instantly psychoanalyse the players now as well?

Did Shawcross intend to break Ramsey's leg? I don't think for one second he did. Was it a dangerous challenge? Absolutely. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples but that's the first that springs to mind.

You see I actually didnt think Shawcross's challenge was a bad one

Its a ****ing mans game (well it use to be)

The game is being ruined by over-zealous officiating gone mad