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    #31
    I think this is the problem with the director of football model. We don't know who is responsible for us signing the players we have signed Dalglish or Comolli. It makes assigning credit or blame very difficult...
    The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
      I think this is the problem with the director of football model. We don't know who is responsible for us signing the players we have signed Dalglish or Comolli. It makes assigning credit or blame very difficult...
      Why is it so important to be able to point at 1 person though? I'd much rather we have a proffessional recruiting organization than being able to point at one person, although it's much easier when angry.

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        #33
        Yep, couple the poor signings with a mind boggling aversion to getting real quality in to cover for arguably our outstanding performer of the season, and you can question the recruitment policy even more. That has cost us massivley

        Getting away from the signings and the lack of success in that field though, the results have been consistently awful for a long time now. We haven't looked good against the lower to mid table teams, and but for the odd flash of form in games against Arsenal, Manchester United, Everton, Newcastle and City in the cup, we have been easy meat for too many bad teams. I don't ever remember our home record being this poor.

        If anybody else had been in charge, the calls for a change in management would have been deafening. Its terrible that we have to question Dalglish like this, he's a legend, but he was the wrong man for the job in the first place. He should have been the ship steadier. He brought us all together as fans, but the divisions are back again.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Darkon View Post
          Why is it so important to be able to point at 1 person though? I'd much rather we have a proffessional recruiting organization than being able to point at one person, although it's much easier when angry.
          I think it's hugely important when you are trying to assess a managers ability or performance. If he has signed the players and the team is not performing it is clear that the buck stops with him. If the director of football is signing the players and the team is not performing the question is are the players being signed good enough or is the manager not getting enough out of them.

          If things are going well then it doesn't matter who is doing what, but if things aren't going well and something needs changing i.e. the manager or director of football needs replacing it is important for the future of the club that you assess which one is the problem.
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            #35
            I see there is now a fourth choice, I would have chosen it instead of the third one.
            * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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              #36
              Can't help but think Rafa would be looking to the past again. I think we need to start over, clean slate.

              Love Rafa, but its still a bit too soon since last time around.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Daniel 7 View Post
                If anybody else had been in charge, the calls for a change in management would have been deafening. Its terrible that we have to question Dalglish like this, he's a legend, but he was the wrong man for the job in the first place. He should have been the ship steadier. He brought us all together as fans, but the divisions are back again.
                Unfortunately true.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Shanks View Post
                  Going back to the original point.

                  For the people that voted.
                  Stick with Kenny for another season, regardless of what happens this season.

                  Would you still feel the same if we lost every remaining game, because that's effectively what you are saying..

                  Surely that can't be right.
                  That's what got my vote.

                  I'm not effectively saying I would feel the same if we lost every remaining game, because I'm pretty sure we won't. But even if we did, I've seen enough of this season to realise there have been glimpses of the football we are striving for, regardless of the score-line.

                  I think this season will have been a great learning-curve for a lot of players and I also think another pre-season, hammering home certain points will do them the world of good. I also think Kenny will cull certain non-performers and replace them with better players (maybe more so *hope* on this point).

                  I think it's a very important summer, but I do think Kenny can match it.

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                    #39
                    I think Kenny deserves at least until January.

                    I don't want us to become another one of those teams who changes manager every season.

                    We are not one of those clubs. We are Liverpool.

                    We do things the right way, the Liverpool way. Kenny stays.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Daniel 7 View Post
                      Comolli should in no way get off scot free for the debacle of a recruitment drive.

                      Its a ****ing scatter gun approach, and if his main objective is to bring players in, should anything happen in relation to a Kenny departure, then he should go too.
                      +1.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Muddled View Post
                        That's what got my vote.

                        I'm not effectively saying I would feel the same if we lost every remaining game, because I'm pretty sure we won't. But even if we did, I've seen enough of this season to realise there have been glimpses of the football we are striving for, regardless of the score-line.

                        I think this season will have been a great learning-curve for a lot of players and I also think another pre-season, hammering home certain points will do them the world of good. I also think Kenny will cull certain non-performers and replace them with better players (maybe more so *hope* on this point).

                        I think it's a very important summer, but I do think Kenny can match it.
                        And that's where lies the divisions between the fans.

                        Some think he can do the above, others don't.

                        What an important summer. It's the point of no return in my eyes. It's our last chance to give it a damn good go otherwise it'll be years before we challenge for 4th.

                        FSG cannot have any doubts. The league is so much tougher and the competition is fiercer than ever. If they fully support Kenny as manager, give him the funds to compete at the very top. If they doubt him, then they have to go for someone else.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Muddled View Post
                          That's what got my vote.

                          I'm not effectively saying I would feel the same if we lost every remaining game, because I'm pretty sure we won't. But even if we did, I've seen enough of this season to realise there have been glimpses of the football we are striving for, regardless of the score-line.

                          I think this season will have been a great learning-curve for a lot of players and I also think another pre-season, hammering home certain points will do them the world of good. I also think Kenny will cull certain non-performers and replace them with better players (maybe more so *hope* on this point).

                          I think it's a very important summer, but I do think Kenny can match it.
                          As much as I admire your loyalty and optimism, I just can't agree with it. This season is a 50/50 I think, so it depends on which side you come down on.

                          Sure there have been some decent performances, but that should be the minimum we can expect. Sunderland, Bolton, QPR and in particular the shambles of a home record - the worst I can remember - sways me towards the negative side of the 50.

                          I don't think Roy Hodgson was afforded this much time. I just worry that if we continue with the status quo, we're going to find ourselves stuck in a mid table malaise.

                          Mid table is ****ing boring. Its ****ing annoying.

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                            #43
                            I just dont think its going to work with Kenny long term. Id prefer to see him see out the season and then go in the Summer, moved back upstairs, even if we win the FA cup.

                            If we get some half decent money to spend in the summer, I'd prefer to be starting off with a new manager, with fresh ideas, and to breath new life into the club.

                            We have too many passengers in the squad, and its starting to show, coupled with a couple of players that wont be around long term, I think its time to start with a fresh manager..unfortunately


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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Reece View Post
                              Okay I don't usually post things like this, but I need to get it off my chest, and I apologise in advance if it makes me a 16 year old sky generation supporter, or vile scum

                              It's a horrible feeling to have, but I feel that it's just not going to work out with Kenny at the helm this time round. I'd not in any way advocate "sacking" him, and there is no point changing things right now, especially as he deserves the chance to get us another cup. But come the summer, I think it would be best if he was to stand down and hand over the reigns. If I was seeing progress in the league, or at least evidence that things would improve in the league then I might feel differently, but I haven't so I don't. That's not to say it couldn't and wouldn't if he remained into next season, but no one really knows. I'd worry about another summer of transfers like we saw last summer to be honest.

                              Who he would hand over to is the biggest issue. I'd have Rafa back in a heartbeat, but with the likes of Ayre still at the club, it's difficult to see that happening. I don't know much about him myself, but Klopp is apparently doing really well in Germany, and I read somewhere that Rafa was bigging him up recently.

                              Bielsa would be a maverick appointment, but for all the recent hype about how his team(s) play, he hasn't really achieved anything yet. Admittedly he's not been in charge of a team that is realistically going to challenge for the top honours. He could win the Spanish cup mind if Bilbao manage to beat Barca in the final.

                              Guardiola would be great but there is no chance of that happening. "Pep - you should leave Messi, Iniesta et al to it, and come work your magic on Stewart Downing". Yeah right.

                              So there you go. **** knows what we're going to do

                              The cup win (and progress in the FA Cup) aside, I'm not enjoying football at the moment, and that's not how it's supposed to be with one of my heroes as manager.
                              Good post

                              Originally posted by Daniel 7 View Post
                              If anybody else had been in charge, the calls for a change in management would have been deafening. Its terrible that we have to question Dalglish like this, he's a legend, but he was the wrong man for the job in the first place. He should have been the ship steadier. He brought us all together as fans, but the divisions are back again.
                              I disagree with that.

                              In my mind he was the right man to take over from the old tart Roy and give us back the hope but after this season performances in the league (and looking back on his purchases over last 18 months) I am not sure he is the man to take us to the next level.
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Shanks View Post
                                Unfortunately true.
                                yes. He was the perfect caretaker appointment, but wrong full time one.
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