Manager Poll

[Fredo]

I think we're on the path to see bad blood between Kenny and a section of the fans as well.

[Rich]

I think we're on the path to see bad blood between Kenny and a section of the fans as well.

True, we might see that.

[Eric Swindler]

If you compare Dalglish and Benitez as managers then I believe Rafa to be the better manager.

Therefore, in an ideal world I'd prefer Rafa to be manager over Kenny. However, I can't see any way that Benitez would be offered the job this summer or next. There's too much bad blood - bad blood with a proportion of the fans, bad blood with some influential players, bad blood with the press, and possibly bad blood with Ayre.

There is also precious little evidence that switching managers gets you success - certainly not when there isn't a mountain of cash behind you.

Which leads to giving Kenny more time to get it right. If I were the owner I'd be flying over at the end of the season and wanting to know why the league went to hell. What will Kenny, Damian, and Steve do over the summer to ensure that our league performance improves dramatically next season.

I think that's a very fair and sensible view.

[little dave hedgehog]

I think this is the problem with the director of football model. We don't know who is responsible for us signing the players we have signed Dalglish or Comolli. It makes assigning credit or blame very difficult...

except that the owners and the upper management will know who is responsible for which decisions. we have uninformed opinions, but they don't. if that's the system they want to use, not sure why fans who can't understand what's happening in the boardroom anyway should have a casting vote here.

I think it's hugely important when you are trying to assess a managers ability or performance. If he has signed the players and the team is not performing it is clear that the buck stops with him. If the director of football is signing the players and the team is not performing the question is are the players being signed good enough or is the manager not getting enough out of them.

If things are going well then it doesn't matter who is doing what, but if things aren't going well and something needs changing i.e. the manager or director of football needs replacing it is important for the future of the club that you assess which one is the problem.

except that our assessment doesn't really matter. it might influence things a little, and it's generally good to have an assessment if you're a fan, but the people who are doing the assessment that matters know exactly who is doing what.

[little dave hedgehog]

Of course but whats the circumstances with us at the moment?

Still recovering from the pain of Roy, Purslow and H&G. 3 managers in less than a season wasn't what we needed, we could do with some continuity in the club and Kenny deserves IMO the rest of this season and the next now he might decide come the summer to stand aside but unless he does it I think he deserves the two seasons.

Of course we need to see an improvement and nobody is above reproach and I am sure he knows that, I'd expect they'll be a pretty full and frank exchange of expectations this summer between FSG, Kenny and DomCom which is fair enough.

when the **** has that ever happened?

[Exiled_red]

except that the owners and the upper management will know who is responsible for which decisions. we have uninformed opinions, but they don't. if that's the system they want to use, not sure why fans who can't understand what's happening in the boardroom anyway should have a casting vote here.



except that our assessment doesn't really matter. it might influence things a little, and it's generally good to have an assessment if you're a fan, but the people who are doing the assessment that matters know exactly who is doing what.

I don't think it is as simple as that, IMO it still comes down to a judgement call. If we assume that Comolli signed the players and Dalglish manages them how does the board know whether the players are good enough but are being let down by the tactics/management/coaching or if the players just weren't good enough to start with?

[little dave hedgehog]

not sure where you're going with this, unless you're suggesting they're going to ask us

[sean_lfc]

If you compare Dalglish and Benitez as managers then I believe Rafa to be the better manager.

Therefore, in an ideal world I'd prefer Rafa to be manager over Kenny. However, I can't see any way that Benitez would be offered the job this summer or next. There's too much bad blood - bad blood with a proportion of the fans, bad blood with some influential players, bad blood with the press, and possibly bad blood with Ayre.

There is also precious little evidence that switching managers gets you success - certainly not when there isn't a mountain of cash behind you.

Which leads to giving Kenny more time to get it right. If I were the owner I'd be flying over at the end of the season and wanting to know why the league went to hell. What will Kenny, Damian, and Steve do over the summer to ensure that our league performance improves dramatically next season.

lol, so it's best to ask the fans first, the influential players second, the press after that and then the MD about an appointment? That's jokes. Isn't that how Hodgson got the job? He's British, ol' Stevie n Carra loved him 'after what he did with Fulham, gotta give him credit', the press loved him 'coz he's British innit bladd, Landan bruv'

[malg]

Discuss Rafa in the "RAFA THREAD" and not in here.. FFS.. Sick of hearing about this Rafa back, in nearly every friggin LFC related thread..

Do you not think Rafa should come back. I feel Rafa is the right man for the job.and Rafa rafa rafa is such an easy name to type.

[sean_lfc]

Do you not think Rafa should come back. I feel Rafa is the right man for the job.and Rafa rafa rafa is such an easy name to type.

For me, it's not just that Rafa has the perfect credentials, the perfect CV, the UBER-****ing knowledge of the game (which EVERY player has mentioned, how he comes up with things to improve you as a player they couldn't even have fathomed), but it's also to do with the fact he's an adopted scouser. How he 'gets' the city. How graceful he's worked for the city and the club off the field. Hillsborough. Charities. His wife. His kids. It's a perfect match if ever there was one. And that's before we even look at his footballing knowledge... and how he single-handedly let us fans know what was really going on behind the scenes under H&G. People conveniently forget that (if they ever even realised). 'Yea thanks Rafa, now **** off, 7th position'. Incredible.

[magicalbarnes]

For me, it's not just that Rafa has the perfect credentials, the perfect CV, the UBER-****ing knowledge of the game (which EVERY player has mentioned, how he comes up with things to improve you as a player they couldn't even have fathomed), but it's also to do with the fact he's an adopted scouser. How he 'gets' the city. How graceful he's worked for the city and the club off the field. Hillsborough. Charities. His wife. His kids. It's a perfect match if ever there was one. And that's before we even look at his footballing knowledge... and how he single-handedly let us fans know what was really going on behind the scenes under H&G. People conveniently forget that (if they ever even realised). 'Yea thanks Rafa, now **** off, 7th position'. Incredible.

Great post.

[RichC]

when the **** has that ever happened?

rafa to roy to kenny.

[baitman]

there is no doubting that rafa has been a great manager with us, but has also had his very annoying, frustrating periods. he steadfastly played baros when he couldnt score in a brothel. smicer too. several other players were favourites, despite form or effort. his constant tinkering, just to prove he is a genius football mystic, oh per-lease
his involvement with the politics of ownership was a very difficult period. i dont doubt it would have been incredibly difficult for him to keep things private and just keep his mind on team affairs. maybe if he had he would still have been there. who knows, now...

although i would be inclined to give kenny more time, unfortunately i just dont see him showing any flair or enthusiasm for the job, little motivation of the players, or any tactical understanding.

[little dave hedgehog]

rafa never managed in that season. roy had the preseason to himself.

[Eric Swindler]

So you saying the 'matchgoers' and 'anfield faithful' dictate things?

There are loads on posters on here that are 'matchgoers', myself included but nobody will get 'as much time as he wants' - legend or not.

Not at all, but i think their opinion is more reflective of where the club is at in terms of managers, players etc. Only the owners make decisions at the end of the day, but they take their influences from people closer to the club than those on t'internets. My point being is that generally I find the opinions of those on forums are not necessarily an accurate reflection of the views within the club. I find the regular matchgoers' opinions much closer to those of the club.