Liverpool vs Aston Villa: Post Match Thread

[little dave hedgehog]

young players brenda had worked with before who he reckons will mature enough to be liverpool quality. fact is he probably doesn't know many players of that pedigree personally, and without a department to tell him what sort of person a player is, what his weaknesses are, any kind if in depth studies of a player, i think that's what you're stuck with when you're spending millions. you tend to want to get your big purchases right.

(obviously you don't always manage to)

[Neil Young]

It's not true to say Rodgers didn't address some of the weaknesses in the squad. He didn't address all of them though so it's easy to pick holes.

I think we need to see who he brings in January and in the summer before we can take a view about whether or not he's a good judge of players.

[RichC]

It's not true to say Rodgers didn't address some of the weaknesses in the squad. He didn't address all of them though so it's easy to pick holes.

I think we need to see who he brings in January and in the summer before we can take a view about whether or not he's a good judge of players.

[TheElephantMan]

It's not true to say Rodgers didn't address some of the weaknesses in the squad. He didn't address all of them though so it's easy to pick holes.

I think we need to see who he brings in January and in the summer before we can take a view about whether or not he's a good judge of players.

This is true, but if we finish in the bottom half of the league then I doubt he'll be given an opportunity to purchase players in the summer. Not advocating perpetual change of managers, but I can't believe that there isn't a minimum requirement. As MrM said we have probably overestimated the ability of our players and we have a much weaker team and squad than maybe a lot of us would like to admit. However we still have enough decent players to finish in the top half of the table, we should be in the top 6 really. Any lower than 10th and it would be a huge fail and I wouldn't be surprised to see further upheaval.

[yamiedo]

We'll beat Fulham resoundingly on Saturday and then the same people who are talking about us finishing in the bottom half will be talking about 4th place again. That is the situation we are in unfortunately. We are still crippled by inconsistency but in my opinion, with Rodgers, we are on the right track to overcome it :-)

[The_weatherman]

It's not true to say Rodgers didn't address some of the weaknesses in the squad. He didn't address all of them though so it's easy to pick holes.

I think we need to see who he brings in January and in the summer before we can take a view about whether or not he's a good judge of players.

I must say I'm disappointed though that he was surely going to address both central midfield and attack and brought in three players for over 25 million and one of them at least on a good salary. Yet I feel central midfield and attack are still priority positions for us. So IMO, he failed so far, granted there is time for these signings to come through but the signs so far are that we still need buying in those positions.

Said it before, that I think this change of style came way too sudden. If we'd just tried and played to the strenghts of our squad at first we could have developed the playing style while getting results in a competitive/weak league.

[cream]

I must say I'm disappointed though that he was surely going to address both central midfield and attack and brought in three players for over 25 million and one of them at least on a good salary. Yet I feel central midfield and attack are still priority positions for us. So IMO, he failed so far, granted there is time for these signings to come through but the signs so far are that we still need buying in those positions.

Said it before, that I think this change of style came way too sudden. If we'd just tried and played to the strenghts of our squad at first we could have developed the playing style while getting results in a competitive/weak league.

£25m is peanuts for three first team players.

We needed to buy a striker in addition to the players bought in.

Most fans were more than happy with our midfield at the start of the season.

Agree with the sudden change of tactics though.

[The Birdman]

I must say I'm disappointed though that he was surely going to address both central midfield and attack and brought in three players for over 25 million and one of them at least on a good salary. Yet I feel central midfield and attack are still priority positions for us. So IMO, he failed so far, granted there is time for these signings to come through but the signs so far are that we still need buying in those positions.

Said it before, that I think this change of style came way too sudden. If we'd just tried and played to the strenghts of our squad at first we could have developed the playing style while getting results in a competitive/weak league.

Which 1 is on the good salary?
Maybe our problems arent or wont be fixed with 3 players

[Captain Stu]

Catastrophic result and one that I'm getting ****ing sick of.

There's only so many times you can dominate possession, create plenty of chances but end up either drawing or losing to teams that we should 100% be beating.

[Lee]

Catastrophic result and one that I'm getting ****ing sick of.

There's only so many times you can dominate possession, create plenty of chances but end up either drawing or losing to teams that we should 100% be beating.

Should've been out of sight by half time.

I can sort of take losing 3-1 at home against the big boys but a poxy Villa team made up of a load of players that I've hardly heard of takes the ****ing piss.

[Captain Stu]

Should've been out of sight by half time.

I can sort of take losing 3-1 at home against the big boys but a poxy Villa team made up of a load of players that I've hardly heard of takes the ****ing piss.

Deffo.

Benteke looks a good player but, as with Carlton Cole last game, we made him look like Benzema. He's good but he's not THAT good for ****'s sake.

Doesn't change my opinion on Rodgers, I still think he's a good manager with a lot to offer but sooner or later we're going to need a plan B - pretty possession just isn't winning games at the moment, maybe it will when we have a few slightly better players but right now it's just not cutting it.

[Vermilion]

This is true, but even UTD, umpteen points ahead of us have found themselves looking down the barrel of a similar result but for Van Persie, and they do have other striking options.

It's going to keep happening untill we introduce more goal scorers throughout the side.

[The_weatherman]

£25m is peanuts for three first team players.

We needed to buy a striker in addition to the players bought in.

Most fans were more than happy with our midfield at the start of the season.

Agree with the sudden change of tactics though.

One of those three players is a loan player though....yes, I was happy(ish) but looking at our options we are still crying out for a powerful midfield player, who can win the ball. Most of us have been screaming out for another ball winner since last january.

We have also needed a goal scoring striker since last january.

Which 1 is on the good salary?
Maybe our problems arent or wont be fixed with 3 players

Sahin is reportedly. I realise that our problems won't be fixed with three players, but we are still looking at the same problems as before, and I find that poor. Just IMO of course.

[Lecter]

I agree with most of that.

I think the 1st goal was a very good finish though and was not easy to save.

It was a decent strike

To be honest I had the first goal down as Allens fault

Lucas had gone out to the right he was in the rightback position when the shot was made and none of the midfielders filled in, as Allen was the nearest to the back four he'd be the one I'd be pointing the finger at

In fact I thought he was culpable in all of the goals we conceeded

[The Birdman]

It was a decent strike

To be honest I had the first goal down as Allens fault

Lucas had gone out to the right he was in the rightback position when the shot was made and none of the midfielders filled in, as Allen was the nearest to the back four he'd be the one I'd be pointing the finger at

In fact I thought he was culpable in all of the goals we conceeded

You've got it in for Allen at the minute haven't you Lec?

1st goal Reina is beat from 25 yards at his near post (i.e Benteke was left side of central facing our goal and beat Reina to his right)
Reina had clear sight of the ball all the way, he was slow to move his feet and sluggish getting down.
How is Allen to blame for the 2nd goal?
I'm also baffled how people think it's Allen's fault that a centre back does nothing to stop a centre forward walk past him onto his stronger foot in the box to score the third.

From under 8's football upwards when teaching/coaching about defending the first point is 'straight down' meaning the danger is the ball so as the defender you go straight down the line of the ball.
After that Skrtel has to, has to show Benteke onto his weaker left foot, narrowing the angle but he doesn't, he gets square on and allows Benteke to walk inside, no tricks just shift the ball onto his sronger right foot opening up the whole goal.

The fact Allen is trying to make a recovery tackle and gets shrugged off is irrelevent if Skrtel does his job properly.

It's amazing how people see what they want to see.

Allen has been below his best recently, he's knackered and badly needs a rest but to blame him for the 3 goals is ridiculous