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    when he is not ****, he is unlucky. he has improved, but the moment panic sets in he cant be trusted
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      Originally posted by Charly View Post
      when he is not ****, he is unlucky. he has improved, but the moment panic sets in he cant be trusted
      It seems we are damned to never learn.
      One tit for another.

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        We need a better CB, Lovren is great for the bench, but he will pull a Karius in the next final and we will all be screaming, **** it we should have got shot of this guy years ago. He still has. I'd be happy to keep him at the club but he needs serious competition for his spot at the very least. We need a few more Andy Robinson type players floating around the squad putting players on notice.

        He seems a lot of show and not much go. He talks a good game meanwhile Big Virg just gets on with it.
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          You do realise VVD has ****ed up a few times for us right?

          Every defender does.
          Was muß, das muß.

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            Lovren is a good defender when having a strong partner like now. He's good in almost every aspect of the game, but he makes mistakes as everyone else. Had a very solid game in the final, and honestly VVD made more mistakes, looked more nervous than him during the game.

            Not saying Lovren can't be improved upon, but I'm at the point where I wouldn't be enterily unhappy with him and VVD making our CD next season.

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              I’d be happy to see how the back four and a new keeper perform next season.I’ve been a vocal critic of him but he’s earnt a chance with his performances lately.
              Unless we’ve got a huge budget then midfields where we need to priorities.
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                Plus we're forgetting that this will be the first preseason with a settled back four. I reckon we'll be even better at the back next season, particularly with a better keeper in place.
                Was muß, das muß.

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                  Originally posted by BobTheCharmer View Post
                  I still think you guys that now think lovren is a reformed character will end up with egg on your face. He can't help himself. But until that point I'll just step back and observe.
                  You've got to give credit where it's due though surely. Arsed about getting egg on my face or whatever. He's been brilliant lately, was brilliant in Kiev, and that's that.
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                    I don't think we're in for a centre back in the summer anyway. With FFP rules, I would be surprised if we spend beyond the positions of goalkeeper, forward and centre midfield.
                    Are we winning?

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                      Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                      You've got to give credit where it's due though surely. Arsed about getting egg on my face or whatever. He's been brilliant lately, was brilliant in Kiev, and that's that.
                      Yes, fair. He's been very good of late and deserves the praise he's had for his performances. All considered we still ideally need a much more resilient and accomplished partner for VVD. That may or may not come this summer though as I'd place it behind a new keeper, creative midfielder and quality forward cover in terms of priorities.
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                        I've not been a fan of his at all, and fully understand the doubts. But he's better with VVD, a lot better, and if you listen to Klopp talk about him he absolutely loves him. I think we'll get a young defender with lots of room for improvement - Lascelles or a similar mould - and stick with Lovren, Voovde and Matip...probably phasing Raggy out.

                        There's also Gomez as a CB option.
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                          Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                          I've not been a fan of his at all, and fully understand the doubts. But he's better with VVV, a lot better, and if you listen to Klopp talk about him he absolutely loves him. I think we'll get a young defender with lots of room for improvement - Lascelles or a similar mould - and stick with Lovren, Voovde and Matip...probably phasing Raggy out.

                          There's also Gomez as a CB option.
                          I'd be quite happy with that tbh.
                          Like blood on iron

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                            Klavan is excellent cover and even at 33 still has a lot to offer and I'll be surprised if we phase him out next year. Also, I can see Klopp pushing Gomez for a more central position.
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                              Plus Klavan is the captain of his country. We need more leaders on the pitch.
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                                Keep Lovren as a squad player and sign another quality CB. He has improved and deserves credit for that but he is who he is and makes it hard to trust him fully... I don't think that will change either. Sell Klavan or Matip.. don't really care who and buy a quality CB, Lovren can battle it out with him to be a starter.

                                We have to improve the starting 11 and the squad. Injury ridden players IMO should be given the boot first, we have been plagued with perma crocks for years... anyone who suffers with injuries on the reg is not going to cut it from what Klopp demands physically on the pitch. Next year could be huge for us with a few more quality players in the areas that need to be addressed.

                                I would hate to be saying yet again next year "We should have signed another CB" or "We should have signed a GK".

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