The manager - where are you at?

[SK]

Our DM takes most our corners, it's not his fault they're breaking. And if he doesn't he's in the box for height. And he's hardly gonna have the ability to sprint back & save the day. We've been setting up poorly. Rodgers is a bright coach, he should look at videos of us and see where an opposition coach will exploit.

From what I've seen this season, if you press LFC high, they struggle & you don't have to worry about a threat on the counter like last year. Then you get one player playing on Gerrard & between the lines & you kill us there. Throw in strikers or wingers running into the space between CB & FB, and you'll create problems all day long.

but he was in good positions for the first two of their goal and he got carried out of position on both occasions.

when he is taking a corner ussualy both fullbacks and a central mid stay back, but no one challenges for the ball at the edge of their penalty area which allows most teams to have a break on us.

i do think he's becoming one of the main issues in this, and rodgers future will mainly break on if he finds another way to accomodate him or simply drop him.

And johnson...

[DannyMan2006]

maybe the defence would be more solid with someone to protect them infront?

They'd also be more solid if we adopted Chelsea's approach of a 4231 and didn't split the CB's and only advanced with one full back at a time. But in all fairness, they should be able to adapt & learn. But the more I see of Skrtel & Lovren the more I think they're not suited to playing that way & can't get to grips with it.

Lovren doesn't have the pace really & he's continually asked to face up against speedsters on the wing & gets outstripped. It's made him devoid of any confidence. Skrtel is asked to get on the ball and just looks clumsy as hell. Looking through our ranks, Tiago Illori is probably the only CB we have who is ideally suited, but I very much doubt he's ready to go toe to toe with players like Andy Carroll or Oliver Giroud in an aerial battle. How I pine for Raphael Varane. If he was available in the summer, it's a travesty we didn't go for him.

[DannyMan2006]

but he was in good positions for the first two of their goal and he got carried out of position on both occasions.

when he is taking a corner ussualy both fullbacks and a central mid stay back, but no one challenges for the ball at the edge of their penalty area which allows most teams to have a break on us.

i do think he's becoming one of the main issues in this, and rodgers future will mainly break on if he finds another way to accomodate him or simply drop him.

And johnson...

I can guarantee that for this season at least, Gerrard will be a regular starter under Rodgers. And the worse we do, the more he'll resist the urge to drop him. He's arguably still our best player & he's also the captain. Remember what happened to Gullit at Newcastle when he dropped Shearer? Would be a guaranteed similar fate.

Because if Gerrard was dropped he'd lose the media & the dressing room. And when you've lost that you lose games. And if you lose games you lose the fans. And if after dropping Gerrard we were still losing games, well then it must be all on Rodgers as we can no longer come up with excuses for Brendan.

[SK]

They'd also be more solid if we adopted Chelsea's approach of a 4231 and didn't split the CB's and only advanced with one full back at a time. But in all fairness, they should be able to adapt & learn. But the more I see of Skrtel & Lovren the more I think they're not suited to playing that way & can't get to grips with it.

Lovren doesn't have the pace really & he's continually asked to face up against speedsters on the wing & gets outstripped. It's made him devoid of any confidence. Skrtel is asked to get on the ball and just looks clumsy as hell. Looking through our ranks, Tiago Illori is probably the only CB we have who is ideally suited, but I very much doubt he's ready to go toe to toe with players like Andy Carroll or Oliver Giroud in an aerial battle. How I pine for Raphael Varane. If he was available in the summer, it's a travesty we didn't go for him.

i think it irrelevant of who actually plays, they will be exposed which is down to how brendan sets the team up and training. time and time again both of them are on the wrong side of an attacker, which i cant understand.

kolo i feel is the only one of our defenders that can actually adapt to what's going on in the field, an occasional howler aside.

[SK]

I can guarantee that for this season at least, Gerrard will be a regular starter under Rodgers. And the worse we do, the more he'll resist the urge to drop him. He's arguably still our best player & he's also the captain. Remember what happened to Gullit at Newcastle when he dropped Shearer? Would be a guaranteed similar fate.

Because if Gerrard was dropped he'd lose the media & the dressing room. And when you've lost that you lose games. And if you lose games you lose the fans. And if after dropping Gerrard we were still losing games, well then it must be all on Rodgers as we can no longer come up with excuses for Brendan.

i guess we need a van gaal to drop his pants

[danperkins]

maybe the defence would be more solid with someone to protect them infront?

Both areas have personnel problems. For me it should be Lucas & Can in front of the back line. Lucas as he is our only actual DM & Can because he is box to box, a physical presence & will make runs past the midfield to aid our attack. Plus he presses which seems a foreign concept to us at the moment. We are better than what we are showing, but the balance is all wrong & so is the team selection IMO.

-------------- Mig ---------------
Manquilo-Skrtel-Toure-Moreno
---------Lucas---Can-----------
--Henderson-----------Lallana
-----Sterling/Gerrard/Coutinho----
------------Lambert--------------

Lovren bombed & Moreno comes back in for Johnson. Lucas & Can offer much more defensive protection and balance & Can has physicality IMO & is very mobile. Henderson & Lallana can concentrate on pressing high which is essential & working areas of the midfield which has been non existent this season. Henderson has been off form but IMO the poor ****er has been busting a gut beside Gerrard & hasn't had at the energy to make those runs into the box we seen last season.

Anybody who has played beside Gerrard when he has been our DM spends so much covering for him that they are too exhausted to even contemplate trying to make runs further up the pitch. Lambert deserves his place & although i don't think he is suited up top at least in that formation he would get a lot of support & wouldn't be isolated..like we've seen our CF's all season.

[Lecter]

They'd also be more solid if we adopted Chelsea's approach of a 4231 and didn't split the CB's and only advanced with one full back at a time. But in all fairness, they should be able to adapt & learn. But the more I see of Skrtel & Lovren the more I think they're not suited to playing that way & can't get to grips with it.

Lovren doesn't have the pace really & he's continually asked to face up against speedsters on the wing & gets outstripped. It's made him devoid of any confidence. Skrtel is asked to get on the ball and just looks clumsy as hell. Looking through our ranks, Tiago Illori is probably the only CB we have who is ideally suited, but I very much doubt he's ready to go toe to toe with players like Andy Carroll or Oliver Giroud in an aerial battle. How I pine for Raphael Varane. If he was available in the summer, it's a travesty we didn't go for him.

We've tried playing 4-2-3-1 this season and it hasnt made a jot of difference to our defensive line

Frankly we dont have the personnel to significantly improve the defence, be that in terms of holding midfield players or central defensive partnerships

All we can do is more actively press the ball and hope that is sufficient

[Sarb]

Bascombe and Ben Smith saying no appetite in club for a change yet. Bascombe intimating Williams and Vorm signing would have been a differnt outcome for us and we wouldnt be this bad

Bascombe is an FSG and Rodgers man. One of the worst articles written by him so far. Just PR spin bull****. Did you see Williams v Belgium is one of the lines.

[Bender]

Bascombe and Ben Smith saying no appetite in club for a change yet. Bascombe intimating Williams and Vorm signing would have been a differnt outcome for us and we wouldnt be this bad

Bascombe is an FSG and Rodgers man. One of the worst articles written by him so far. Just PR spin bull****. Did you see Williams v Belgium is one of the lines.

Sarb
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[Lecter]

maybe the defence would be more solid with someone to protect them infront?

Unfortunately even the best holding player couldnt make Skrtel & Lovren be good defenders

They have fundamental problems like, not being good positional, making elementary and fundamental mistakes etc..

Lovren for instance cant even stay goalside of players and what the **** he was doing for their second goal yesterday god only knows. Why is he so far over, why is he then not goalside, why is he getting outmuscled by the forward

Its criminal

A holding player wont stop Skrtel or Lovren being ****

[Fierce]

****ing hell, you couldn't script it any better

[Sarb]

Unfortunately even the best holding player couldnt make Skrtel & Lovren be good defenders

They have fundamental problems like, not being good positional, making elementary and fundamental mistakes etc..

Lovren for instance cant even stay goalside of players and what the **** he was doing for their second goal yesterday god only knows. Why is he so far over, why is he then not goalside, why is he getting outmuscled by the forward

Its criminal

A holding player wont stop Skrtel or Lovren being ****

Is that down to an individual or is it down to coaching? What percentage of goals conceded do you think are down to basic coaching issues? We dont even set up properly on set pieces

[Lecter]

Bascombe and Ben Smith saying no appetite in club for a change yet. Bascombe intimating Williams and Vorm signing would have been a differnt outcome for us and we wouldnt be this bad

Bascombe is an FSG and Rodgers man. One of the worst articles written by him so far. Just PR spin bull****. Did you see Williams v Belgium is one of the lines.

As I have said previously the signings of Borini & Allen (definitely Rodgers men / picks) have not inspired any sort of faith in him regarding transfers

The suggestion that Williams & Vorm were his proposed first choice picks skew my view of him even further towards the negative

[Lecter]

Is that down to an individual or is it down to coaching? What percentage of goals conceded do you think are down to basic coaching issues? We dont even set up properly on set pieces

Look at our set pieces though most of the ones we have conceeded from are fundamental basic errors

We mostly man mark so why players would not be goalside isnt a coaching issue thats just ****ing stupidity

Dont get me wrong I think Rodgers is flawed in terms of setting up a defensive unit but first and foremost to be a unit you have to have people capable of doing the basics

Neither Lovren nor Skrtel are capable of that

[Sarb]

As I have said previously the signings of Borini & Allen (definitely Rodgers men / picks) have not inspired any sort of faith in him regarding transfers

The suggestion that Williams & Vorm were his proposed first choice picks skew my view of him even further towards the negative

He has made some good mates in the media that is for sure. Had Alan Brazil defending him too. I find the Williams and Vorm stuff a shocker