Baggies post match thread

[calvoboy]

Nobody has mentioned lallana on this thread yet. He was ****in ****e.

No he wasn't. He wasn't great, but he wasn't ****e. Cracking header to tee up Henderson for the goal too.

There will be a spare going for this fixture next year. I've decided that life is too short to spend it watching Tony Pulis's long-ball, cheating, time-wasting, set-piece obsessed anti-football. Whichever team he manages I won't be watching any more. Even though you know what to expect from his sides, it's still shocking every time to see it in the flesh. Until Mignolet's howler I thought we had coped with it pretty well, and were creating enough to win by a couple. We've got to stop gifting teams a way back in.

I'd give Bogdan a couple of games and see if that focuses Mignolet's mind the way it did when he was dropped before by Rodgers. I'd also have Origi comfortably ahead of Benteke in the pecking order at the moment.

[kemm1]

I like the overall footballing progress and culture change Klopp is instilling at the club. We just need to find a way to get in the top 4 and hopefully Klopp can get the players he wants.
I hate the ****ing Europa Cup.

[baitman]

defo drop mig.
players need to man up or realise they are not going to get game time.
speak to your agent and get the **** out of my club you dithering bellend.

[Fosterbloke]

Personally I think Origi will end up a better player than Benteke

In fact I think he might end up a very good player

I think he'll end up on loan to nantes in a year or two.

Mark it in the calendar. Can't wait to see if we have an Anelka or N'Gog on our hands.

[frank the tank]

No he wasn't. He wasn't great, but he wasn't ****e. Cracking header to tee up Henderson for the goal too.

There will be a spare going for this fixture next year. I've decided that life is too short to spend it watching Tony Pulis's long-ball, cheating, time-wasting, set-piece obsessed anti-football. Whichever team he manages I won't be watching any more. Even though you know what to expect from his sides, it's still shocking every time to see it in the flesh. Until Mignolet's howler I thought we had coped with it pretty well, and were creating enough to win by a couple. We've got to stop gifting teams a way back in.

I'd give Bogdan a couple of games and see if that focuses Mignolet's mind the way it did when he was dropped before by Rodgers. I'd also have Origi comfortably ahead of Benteke in the pecking order at the moment.

Agree with everything you say except the bit on Lallana. The one-on-one chance he ****ed up sums up his time at lfc. £25m for that

[jw54]

Every time I read this forum I feel like I've joined a bi-polar or schizophrenic support group.


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[Buzzo]

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[rudedog]

I thought their second goal shouldn't have stood. There were two West Brom players jumping for the ball with Lovren. Ollsen scored but the other player had his arm over Lovrens shoulder stopping him from challenging Ollsen.

[Exiled_red]

I think that we badly need to find out what the problem with our home form is and get it sorted out, be it tactical, mental of physical, because this season our home form has been terrible. 12 points from 8 home games is fairly poor in most circumstances but when you consider that all the teams we have played are teams who, with all due respect we would expect to finish above (6 of them are bottom half of the table) and we have a negative goal difference at Anfield this season, yesterday was only the 2nd home PL game were we have scored more than once.

We are obviously lacking a top quality striker with Sturridge out, but we are leaking goals at the other end, the defence and GK are having problems too and that is a bad combination. It was painful to watch us get done by so many set pieces yesterday.

[calvoboy]

I think that we badly need to find out what the problem with our home form is and get it sorted out, be it tactical, mental of physical, because this season our home form has been terrible. 12 points from 8 home games is fairly poor in most circumstances but when you consider that all the teams we have played are teams who, with all due respect we would expect to finish above (6 of them are bottom half of the table) and we have a negative goal difference at Anfield this season, yesterday was only the 2nd home PL game were we have scored more than once.

We are obviously lacking a top quality striker with Sturridge out, but we are leaking goals at the other end, the defence and GK are having problems too and that is a bad combination. It was painful to watch us get done by so many set pieces yesterday.

I think the root of it is that we still have a striking problem. With the immobile Benteke, like Balotelli with a better attitude, we struggle to break down teams that park the bus. It's not just at home, Newcastle was a perfect example too. Just a shame that Ings got injured when he did, I think he'd have been great for us under Klopp. For the time being I'd go with Origi.

At the other end we've been the same for years. We need Sakho back in and a commanding keeper. My mate pointed out yesterday that with Lucas out, how many of that team would you back to win a header? Skrtel, Benteke and???? Yet we were up against one of the biggest heading teams in the league.

[DKdan]

I think we saw the right gameplan yesterday for games like this.

We created half chances and a great team goal from our captain against a side with as little interest in football as a Mourinho team.

Then Mignolet gifts them a goal. If he hadn't I am sure we would have scored more as they would have to open up a bit more as the game goes on.

Fear swept through the team, because you know Pulis and set plays, and them scoring right away drained the confidence that we had any chance coping with it.

Klopp decided on the most attacking of our midfield three with both Allen and Lucas missing out. Correct decision IMO against teams who wont play. On a side note there is proper fight in all three of Milner, Henderson and Can for it not to get outfought.

There is not many teams better than West Brom at playing like that away from home, and we werent far away from three points. Not much is missing.

Only thing I think was wrong from Klopp was playing Benteke up front.
His strengths play right into the hands of Olsson/McAuley.
What I dont get is why every time Benteke uses his physicality it is a foul. When Olsson does it its fair game apparently. It was the same with Carroll and Crouch. I think big forwards get a raw deal in the PL. For that reason alone I would rather have someone more gutsy and nimble up front.
Ings fits the profile - if he has the talent to be a long term solution I dont know.
Sidenote: Should Benteke be awarded a penalty? If a smaller player had gone to ground in that incident I am sure it would/should have been. (If it was a proper ref, nevermind)


Speaking of guts, Origi did well to get up and continue, when he was fouled before scoring.

Yet another sidenote: No bookings in this game??? WTF? Gardner should have walked, and both Milner and Skrtel could have been booked.

[DKdan]

I think the root of it is that we still have a striking problem. With the immobile Benteke, like Balotelli with a better attitude, we struggle to break down teams that park the bus. It's not just at home, Newcastle was a perfect example too. Just a shame that Ings got injured when he did, I think he'd have been great for us under Klopp. For the time being I'd go with Origi.

At the other end we've been the same for years. We need Sakho back in and a commanding keeper. My mate pointed out yesterday that with Lucas out, how many of that team would you back to win a header? Skrtel, Benteke and???? Yet we were up against one of the biggest heading teams in the league.

To be fair Lovren has been very commanding in the air lately.
Lallana won a header, leading to our goal.
Can, Milner and Hendo all decent in the air too IMO. But I get your point.

On the other hand I dont think the recipe for coping against it is fielding our best headers. IMO making sure we arent giving stupid set plays away against them was the most important thing.
And exactly because of their ****house, big lump players, we should have gone the other way. Quick players, with quick feet, with lots of movement.
Which we did - besides the movement.

Fighting them on their terms is not the answer I think?

[dww]

Fighting them on their terms is not the answer I think?

I agree on that but I think you need a plan in place. Under Rafa we tended to go - Gerrard in the front post/six yard box zone, Sami central often in the zone favoured by the biggest aerial threat and Reina having established areas he had to dominate. Lots of dangers seemed snuffed out before they happened. I'm pretty sure that it is not the only way to be good at defending corners but for a long while it has looked like we make new and exciting mistakes each time a set piece comes in. Some of that is personnel related but I think it is also organizational.

[The_weatherman]

I agree on that but I think you need a plan in place. Under Rafa we tended to go - Gerrard in the front post/six yard box zone, Sami central often in the zone favoured by the biggest aerial threat and Reina having established areas he had to dominate. Lots of dangers seemed snuffed out before they happened. I'm pretty sure that it is not the only way to be good at defending corners but for a long while it has looked like we make new and exciting mistakes each time a set piece comes in. Some of that is personnel related but I think it is also organizational.

I think a lot of it is organizational and we might not see it cut out too fast. Klopp is effectively building a plane, with someone else's tools and parts, while in full flight.

[DKdan]

I agree on that but I think you need a plan in place. Under Rafa we tended to go - Gerrard in the front post/six yard box zone, Sami central often in the zone favoured by the biggest aerial threat and Reina having established areas he had to dominate. Lots of dangers seemed snuffed out before they happened. I'm pretty sure that it is not the only way to be good at defending corners but for a long while it has looked like we make new and exciting mistakes each time a set piece comes in. Some of that is personnel related but I think it is also organizational.

Agreed 100%.

But IIRC it took Rafa a while before it got to that. Every **** and his pundit barked about zonal marking in the beginning. Bearing in mind how much more solid at the back we look already, makes me think he knows what needs be done.