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    Originally posted by Jaco_Pastorious View Post
    Think the time to start thinking Jones is not going to become the player we hope is if he hits 23 or 24 and is still looking at the level he is now.

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      He is now the same age Hendo was when he came to LFC.

      It took Hendo a few seasons to establish himself, fans were on his back a fair bit during this time.

      The boy just needs a bit of time.

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        Originally posted by rudedog View Post
        He is now the same age Hendo was when he came to LFC.

        It took Hendo a few seasons to establish himself, fans were on his back a fair bit during this time.

        The boy just needs a bit of time.
        Good observation Rudey

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          Time and games. Thats why a loan is best. We need better now to challange City imho.
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            I think the problem with loans is that no team that would take him on loan is going to play like we do, and being away from the squad and out of the loop can be as much of a problem as the experience is a benefit. I don’t recall the last loan that you’d regard as successful in terms of getting someone closer to the starting line up, maybe Elliott but that’s debatable. I think we use it to try and sell players and save wages, eg Taki. Look who’s on loan now; Woodburn, Ojo, Davies, Phillips, Williams, I don’t think we really want any of them back.
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              I wouldn't send him out on loan.

              He has enough prem experience now to be kicking on, it's not a lack of experience that is holding him back, its his decision making and the incredibly high standard of the players in front of him.

              The latter won't be lesser if he goes out and loan and returns, probably it will be more.

              He has to be able to beat these players into the starting line up otherwise he will never make it at the club. At least not while the future looks so strong under Jurgen.
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                Originally posted by Corndog View Post
                I wouldn't send him out on loan.

                He has enough prem experience now to be kicking on, it's not a lack of experience that is holding him back, its his decision making and the incredibly high standard of the players in front of him.

                The latter won't be lesser if he goes out and loan and returns, probably it will be more.

                He has to be able to beat these players into the starting line up otherwise he will never make it at the club. At least not while the future looks so strong under Jurgen.

                At 21 is it reasonable though to ask him to beat names like Fabinho, Thiago and Keita into the starting XI when he is not at their level yet?

                Same with the likes of Henderson, Jones is not on the same level yet.

                Milner he could push for a back up berth and already is if minutes played this season are anything to go by.

                Plus if we go out and buy one or more first team challenging midfielders this summer he is going to be a bit further behind again.

                Personally think he is probably another seasons worth of gametime away from being able to properly challenge for a starting berth.

                There are pros and cons to him going out on loan.

                The main pro would be if he was at a PL club where he got regular game time under a progressive manager.

                The con of course being if he was on loan and simply training with a squad a players of lesser quality to what we have and a coaching set up that is below the level of what we have.

                Would be very happy to see him at the likes of Brighton, Fulham, Brentford etc if he were to get regular game time as all those teams press as a unit, all those teams have managers that are progressive in how they approach the game and they are teams that require their CMs to be hard working but technically good.
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                  Does anyone know what the story is about his absence at the weekend and him not training with the match squad today. Injury, illness, discipline, haircut?

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                      Tibial Stress Syndrome (Shin Splints).

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                        Don't think he'll make it at LFC

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                          Not sure how accurate it is, but bit of chatter online that his latest injury may have recurred/gotten worse and that he may be out for a long spell.
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                            Wasn't it shin splints? They can be a bugger to sort out by all accounts.
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                              last report was November wasn't it;so with te world cup you are looking at a January return

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                                Midfield depth
                                removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                                too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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