Ozan Kabak

[Rich]

This was the 63rd league start of his career. He had won 11 of the previous 62 and had been on the winning side in one of the previous 27.

The guardian

Think I’d Give up [emoji24]

[Doc_Piptorious]

I would do with Davies over him now. He’s played at a level below for a good few seasons and should be given a go.

Depending on who his fit next week then I would go Davies and Fab or Davies and Phillips just not seeing it with Kabak at all.

And if Davies comes in and is not looking good within two or three games or if he loooks like a Championship player from the get go? Then who do we replace him with?


Just think we need to take a gamble and stick with whatever CB or CBs we pick, and hope that they get used to the system quickly. Otherwise we are going to be chopping and changing every coule games when a new player is not slotting in seemlessly.

And for the record, before we even played the City game I was looking for us to play both Kabak and Davies together and let them have a run together to build an understanding so I am not against Davies or whomeever playing. I just want to see us pick a pairing and try to let them build up a partnership.

My logic at the time when I said play Kabak and Davies together was that we had Fabinho and Henderson fit at the same time, so putting both of them back into midfield mean, in myhead anyway, that we would have a full strength attack, and full strength midfield and three fifths of a starting back line rather than doing what we are doing every week and having a weakened midfield sitting in front of a weakned back line.

I'm a big fan of doing the obvious with a team and that means playing players in their natural positions. So in the case of Kabak, Phillips and Davies , all three are natural CBs regardless of what their final level of quality is or will be. So let two of the three be our CB partnership and give them games to iron out mistakes.

The mistakes are gong to keep coming anyway as we are seeing with our contstant chopping and changing, so we might as well let two natural CBs try to develop some sort of mutual understanding for the rest of the season and play the best available players in every other position in the team.

[Exiled_red]

He wasn't great for the first goal but those are the types of mistakes that you make when you are setting into a new team or league. He wasn't terrible, I think some people are going over the top here.

It takes time to develop an understanding, we are going to be making some mistakes and conceding some goals. The problem is at the other end of the park, we have failed to score in 6 of the last 10 PL games, we haven't conceded more than 1 in 7 of those 10, while the defence has had some shake moments if we were scoring goals we'd be winning games.

[Doc_Piptorious]

This was the 63rd league start of his career. He had won 11 of the previous 62 and had been on the winning side in one of the previous 27.

The guardian

Think I’d Give up [emoji24]

Yes playing in an awful team.

Just looked at a couple similar stats.

One of our current big name players had this run of games before joining us.

Played 40..won 9, drew 10, lost 21. That is the record from Wijnaldum's last 40 games played before joining us.


Robertson's final 40 games played for Hull has even more losses than Wijnaldum's final 40 with Newcastle.


So not sure what bearing playing in a **** team before joining us is meant to have.

[Chazza]

How can you be rookie of the year in such a bad team? Surely you are showing something more than this and being courted by the top teams in Europe?

[Chazza]

I’m labouring the point of course but just not seeing a player in there.

You have to have a bit about you to mentally succeed at a top team and I don’t think he has it.

[Doc_Piptorious]

He wasn't great for the first goal but those are the types of mistakes that you make when you are setting into a new team or league. He wasn't terrible, I think some people are going over the top here.

It takes time to develop an understanding, we are going to be making some mistakes and conceding some goals. The problem is at the other end of the park, we have failed to score in 6 of the last 10 PL games, we haven't conceded more than 1 in 7 of those 10, while the defence has had some shake moments if we were scoring goals we'd be winning games.

Yep we have an attack and midfield that is goal shy save for Salah. We have even one other player scoring at even two thirds of the rate of Salah and we would have turned some draws into wins and some losses into draws.


I expect errors at the back because of how depleted we are there, but our attack is blunt and it is not as though they are not creating chances, they are just lacking any sort of regular cutting edge again save for Salah.

[Doc_Piptorious]

How can you be rookie of the year in such a bad team? Surely you are showing something more than this and being courted by the top teams in Europe?

Because Schalke were not doing as badly the past two seasons as they are this season.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I’m labouring the point of course but just not seeing a player in there.

You have to have a bit about you to mentally succeed at a top team and I don’t think he has it.

He is 20. So any of our players who are 20 or older and who are not tearing it up are automatically not good enough mentally as well right? After all they are used to the club, the league and the cuntry so they must have even less excuses that a new kid.


Or any new player we buy 20 or older in the future basically has to be doing well in their first three games or they are not good enough?


Sorry for being a bit facetious, but if that is the standard you are setting for a kid new to the league, after three games, then surely that same standard has to apply for every new player we get or any player not doing well.

And maybe you are right and he will not be good enough for us, but I just think we would run out of players really fast if three games is the deciding number of games.

[Chazza]

How many games should we judge on then?

[Doc_Piptorious]

How many games should we judge on then?

16.735 games

[Chazza]

16.735 games

I look forward to him still not being good enough but the Bundesliga trophy being on his mantle piece.

[Zapater]

16.735 games

Chazza won't be satisfied until it is unanimously and irrationally agreed on est that he is absolute **** and the source of all problems. Even though said problems started long before he was integrated into the team and Kabak to my eye anyway hasn't been on a significantly better or worse level than any other player.

It is weird that we've been linked to him for a year now and people are still convinced that we've randomly picked him up for no reason. He's clearly a player that we've been scouting and looking at for some time.

[Chazza]

Chazza won't be satisfied until it is unanimously and irrationally agreed on est that he is absolute **** and the source of all problems. Even though said problems started long before he was integrated into the team and Kabak to my eye anyway hasn't been on a significantly better or worse level than any other player.

It is weird that we've been linked to him for a year now and people are still convinced that we've randomly picked him up for no reason. He's clearly a player that we've been scouting and looking at for some time.

Yep cos I am constantly posting on here looking for people to agree with my opinion

[RichC]

Chazza won't be satisfied until it is unanimously and irrationally agreed on est that he is absolute **** and the source of all problems. Even though said problems started long before he was integrated into the team and Kabak to my eye anyway hasn't been on a significantly better or worse level than any other player.

It is weird that we've been linked to him for a year now and people are still convinced that we've randomly picked him up for no reason. He's clearly a player that we've been scouting and looking at for some time.

Scouting and being interested in is very different to starting and playing in this current side. He might come good in the longer term but as we are, with a side bereft of confidence or any sort of continuity at the back he’s not looked good at all.

I can’t believe I’m saying this but Nat Phillips is probably our lead centre back now and we need to work on who can partner him, could be Kabak but based on what I’ve seen so far I’m not convinced and I’d be tempted to give Davies a go with Phillips.

I mean it can’t actually get much worse !