Forest away Build up Match day 27

[Kenneth]

I’m not sure you’re actually disagreeing. There’s definitely areas of inconsistency that can be addressed. Issues such as whether bookings are given for dissent, how long the referees allow for time wasting or added time etc. Conversely, there are areas that can never been consistent across different referees as there is no objective truth, eg judging the intent of a player. And a lot of comparisons of incidents that are assumed to be equivalent by many are different, sometimes in small but significant ways and the claims of inconsistency are false. The most concerning inconsistencies are ones that occur in the same game, with the same referee, and these do happen.

[Cerbie]

I’m not sure you’re actually disagreeing. There’s definitely areas of inconsistency that can be addressed. Issues such as whether bookings are given for dissent, how long the referees allow for time wasting or added time etc. Conversely, there are areas that can never been consistent across different referees as there is no objective truth, eg judging the intent of a player. And a lot of comparisons of incidents that are assumed to be equivalent by many are different, sometimes in small but significant ways and the claims of inconsistency are false. The most concerning inconsistencies are ones that occurring the same game, with the same referee, and these do happen.

Or the ones that are referred to VAR, like the Utd goal that took 6 minutes to review when Varane did more than Endo did to get Virgil’s first chalked off in the final, but the Casemiro goal stood - against Forest too…

[dom9]

And to clarify, I'm not talking about the Spurs type debacle where the correct decision was actually made by the VARs, but the incorrect decision was relayed back to ref, due to a lack of a clear, formal communication and decision making protocol / process.

That really was inexcusable.

[Exiled_red]

Sorry, but I can't take Tompkins seriously at all.

On point 2, I think you've kinda missed my point. This stuff is subjective a lot of the time. If you can accept that you can accept that achieving a mythical consistency is impossible.

Out of curiosity what are your issues with Tompkins? I have my own thoughts but would be interested to hear yours

[Mark79]

Morons.

[ame]https://twitter.com/ianyoungkop/status/1764473861838422233[/ame]

[dom9]

Out of curiosity what are your issues with Tompkins? I have my own thoughts but would be interested to hear yours

He bores the ****ing crap out me.

[dom9]

Morons.

https://twitter.com/ianyoungkop/stat...73861838422233

The internet personified.

[Exiled_red]

He bores the ****ing crap out me.

I can't read his articles, I am interested in some of the statistical analysis that he does in principle and I think it is done it a reasonable way when you look at it in detail, the problem is calculating projected penalties per touch in the box for players with more than 100 PL appearances in the last 5 seasons is alot to get your head around and since having a child I don't have the time and focus to sit down for half a day to go through it.

He has done a couple of studies on referees supposedly favouring particular teams, players, or groups of players for particular treatment, which I think would be interesting, the problem with them is they are presented from an LFC point of view (understandable as he is primarily and LFC writer) but because of this it is never going to go anywhere (in terms of discussion of bias etc with any football authorities) because of the tribal nature of football. Were it to come from a neutral or statistician or even an academic I feel it might have more impact. No matter how well done the data is analysed the fact that it comes from someone with an association with a particular club is suggestive of an agenda which means it won't be taken seriously.

[Angryred]

I can't read his articles, I am interested in some of the statistical analysis that he does in principle and I think it is done it a reasonable way when you look at it in detail, the problem is calculating projected penalties per touch in the box for players with more than 100 PL appearances in the last 5 seasons is alot to get your head around and since having a child I don't have the time and focus to sit down for half a day to go through it.

He has done a couple of studies on referees supposedly favouring particular teams, players, or groups of players for particular treatment, which I think would be interesting, the problem with them is they are presented from an LFC point of view (understandable as he is primarily and LFC writer) but because of this it is never going to go anywhere (in terms of discussion of bias etc with any football authorities) because of the tribal nature of football. Were it to come from a neutral or statistician or even an academic I feel it might have more impact. No matter how well done the data is analysed the fact that it comes from someone with an association with a particular club is suggestive of an agenda which means it won't be taken seriously.

I wonder if Ian Graham knows about this guy as sounds like someone right up his street for all the analytical works!

[Paul12]

It's not OK, it's dodgy. It allows the manager to purposely sidestep any potential sanction as he just "no-comments" any controversial ref stuff and deflects to this consultant .. who can stir it up by saying what the **** he wants

I think what an employee, contractor or consultant says on behalf of a club is caught by the FA/EPL rules and can be fined etc in the same way that a manager can be fined.

[Paul12]

And I'd also say, let's just move on.

[dom9]

I wonder if Ian Graham knows about this guy as sounds like someone right up his street for all the analytical works!

I'd like to think that Ian Graham would probably employ people who have gained suitable qualifications in their field rather an internet blogger.

[John Barnes]

A lot more kick back in the media and criticism of Clattenburg and the fact there were decisions against Liverpool in that game

[Norbs]

I'd like to think that Ian Graham would probably employ people who have gained suitable qualifications in their field rather an internet blogger.

[The_weatherman]

https://twitter.com/SteveCorbett64/s...10343835050143

Yes, let's have a replay, and let's replay our game against Spurs too. By all means, maybe the Arsenal one too.

In all seriousness, I'm absolutely astounded by the fume, couldn't really give a **** but just genuinely surprised at the media as well. Thought Dermot Gallacher nailed it really.

Then there is the issue of a club recruiting former referees, I think that's very serious and I'd consider this a case of a club putting undue and unfair pressure on referee's to gain competitive advantage, similar to Barcelona paying for advice from refs and Real highlighting refs on their TV channels.