Man City at home - 10th March 2024, 15:45

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The ball bounces off mac onto doku's foot, doku does not touch it first.
Webb says mac isn't going for the ball, but it's because he turns away as he's about to get booted in the face.
They are just bending the narrative to suit themselves and back each other up.
That's what's clear and obvious...

I don't get why no one is questioning any of this, it's clear that MacAllister gets the ball first, why is no one calling that out?

[frank the tank]

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

[rudedog]

I didn't think they would admit to making a third refereeing mistake that has cost us points and has a good chance of directing the destination of the league title

[Buzzo]

"Doku definately gets the ball"

"Both come in high"

"MacAllister's coming into his space" what does that even mean, MacAllister gets the ball first so surely Doku comes into MacAllister's space.

The only way there could ever be any merit in this kind of analysis would be if the analysing ref was from a different association.

Having Webb do it is like having Himmler analyse Hitler's tactics.

[Exiled_red]

People say VAR should have a team/manager challenge this just shows why that would never work. Even if it were a different official reviewing it

[Exiled_red]

It's interesting to hear the interactions and supposed thinking behind decisions but what is the outcome of this for PGMOL and the PL, surely after hearing this the clubs and players are asking more questions about what they can and can't do, what's a foul, what's a yellow card, what's a red card, because half of the videos of any contentious decisions just seem to show that the officials are just protecting one another, and making **** up to justify a decision. Highlighting this would be fine if the aim were to improve the situation, but clearly it isn't and there isn't even an acknowledgement when the official/VAR gets it wrong.

Then there is sky televising it adding more BS from Webb. If I were at PGMOL I would be embarrassed by what was said by the officials

[danperkins]

I didn't think they would admit to making a third refereeing mistake that has cost us points and has a good chance of directing the destination of the league title

Yup in these big clashes, once is a bad mistake, twice is taking the piss & a third time genuinely looks like an agenda. This is the difference between winning and losing a premier league title & they can't have that so are doubling down. It's actually a ****ing disgrace.

[frank the tank]

Good process

[Mark79]

VAR: "He's (Doku) definitely touched it. Mac Allister then come into his space. Mac Allister turns his back into him, it's a coming together."

That's simply not an objective description of what the video shows.

That's someone who has decided they dont want to give the pen and is trying to justify it.

[Mr Pink]

The only way there could ever be any merit in this kind of analysis would be if the analysing ref was from a different association.

Having Webb do it is like having Himmler analyse Hitler's tactics.

Hahahha good analogy. Also Michael Owen is ****e at it- it’s clear that Webb is like if I’m doing this, I want to agree to all questions ahead of time, and want to approve the footage before it’s released.

[Mr Pink]

I hate the argument he’s making that if the ref had given it, it would have stood, but var is still right to not get involved. Firstly, I think this one was a clear mistake.

But in general, if they’re of the mindset that had he given it, it would have stood, the ref should at a minimum be sent to the monitor.

Also don’t know why they’re saying he got the ball. Firstly, maccallister got it first, but even if doku had gotten to it first, it’s still a foul. Getting to the ball, doesn’t excuse you going studs first into someone’s chest ffs

[Irishnev]

I hate the argument he’s making that if the ref had given it, it would have stood, but var is still right to not get involved. Firstly, I think this one was a clear mistake.

But in general, if they’re of the mindset that had he given it, it would have stood, the ref should at a minimum be sent to the monitor.

Also don’t know why they’re saying he got the ball. Firstly, maccallister got it first, but even if doku had gotten to it first, it’s still a foul. Getting to the ball, doesn’t excuse you going studs first into someone’s chest ffs

The issue is around “clear and obvious “ plus the notion is of a ref is sent to the screen then he should overturn it. Why don’t they suggest he have a look and Dr use for himself either way and get everyone involved - I think I’d like a closer look at the Doku/McAllister coming together….. and then make your mind up. It’s all about saving face

[Exiled_red]

Yeah I don't like the idea that everytime the ref goes to the monitor the decision will change, this is reinforcing the idea that the ref got it wrong and he is being corrected, the system would be better if it was an opportunity for the ref to have a second look or see something from a different angle, because you can’t expect them to always get the decision right first time from one angle and they shouldn't see changing the decision as admitting a mistake or being overruled

[Paul12]

There'd be even more start-stop than there is already.

I think the key issue here was did the ref see what he thought he saw. If he did, it is a subjective call and that could have gone either way. But if he didn't, get him to the monitor.

[Paul12]

The ball bounces off mac onto doku's foot, doku does not touch it first.
Webb says mac isn't going for the ball, but it's because he turns away as he's about to get booted in the face.
They are just bending the narrative to suit themselves and back each other up.
That's what's clear and obvious...

Doku got the ball first in the sense that he got the ball before he got the man. The rest is largely about whether getting the man second is ok in the circumstances.