Arne Slot

[fidget]

It's ****, he's a moron, and the sooner we get rid the better, both in terms of entertainment and results.

It's funny because it's true.

[Slinky Skills]

Well if they aren't, that shows poor leadership from the manager. Man management is at least half of the job.

We're still in contention for 4th, and we are still in the CL, but if we lose to Marseille, he's toast imo. If we want Xabi, and I think we do, we'll move after that loss to enable us to get a player or two before the window closes.

[peterbread]

It's the speed of our play that's killing us. First half we were quicker, Kerkes was passing and running and we were looking for quick passes. Second half normal service resumed. When we get the ball we need to make sure that we take as many passes as possible when getting up field to give the opposition time to regroup. Only then can we start our attacking shape of 6 or 7 players Vs their 11, and with enough side to side passing, a tiny gap might appear briefly, or we can try and blast a shot at a defender from 30 yards out. You can see it in real time, we actively try and slow the game down. Why go forward for a 2 Vs 4 chance when you can have 7 Vs 11 and that's a much better ratio?

Start of the season, slot talked about having more control in games and this is clearly what he thinks that involves. It's ****, he's a moron, and the sooner we get rid the better, both in terms of entertainment and results.

I noticed Szoboszlai slowed the ball down a lot today in the situations you talked about and that’s not his natural game that’s what he’s being coached to do.

This control and happy to win 1-0 or 2-0 approach just isn’t working. Once the team scores there isn’t any desire to really go and get a second or third and be ruthless and finish teams off. The safety first don’t lose approach we’ve all been talking about is why teams are never out of games and feel they can get at us late on when we inevitably drop off.

There was a rare counter attack today and it makes you realise how rare it is now. It was such a strength of the team and should still be.

[Slinky Skills]

Lol

[Irishnev]

32 shots, 11 on target, over 300 successful final third passes.

The intent to win is definitely there, the know-how sadly isn't.

We should’ve won the game comfortably yesterday and did more than enough to win. Every side has days when they batter an opponent, miss chances and the other team score with their only chance.

The team is set up not to lose as suggested by everyone else and we reply on individual magic to get a goal, we don’t seem to have repeatable patterns that make a “Liverpool goal”. You know what a City goal looks like, a Klopp goal or an Arsenal goal (set piece )

Our schedule has been pretty kind with plenty of training days available - I don’t see anything different so as you said there is no coaching happening that is making a difference. Our build up is so labored

[Exiled_red]

32 shots, 11 on target, over 300 successful final third passes.

The intent to win is definitely there, the know-how sadly isn't.

I don't particularly like xG as a stat but our xG was 2.96 yesterday the pen would have counted for about 0.7-0.8 so that's an xG of about 2.2 from 31 shots which equates to an average xG per shot of about 0.07 which to me suggests we aren’t creating good chances. 12 of those shots were from outside of the box so that backs up this idea.

We aren't prepared to move the ball quickly, which IMO we need to do against low block.We don't have the patterns of play to create big chances consistently because we are set up to control, keep possession and not take risks, which results in the high possession low quality chances and dire football we are seeing at the moment and that is why I believe we aren't setting out to win games.

[danperkins]

We don't kill games off, after the goal it wasn't full tilt let's smash these.. it was right let's not lose this. Sure we created alot of chances but that's because they are absolutely **** and we have abundant individual quality. If this was a once off you could certainly make the argument that these games happens but we've seen this movie before. The problem this season is that we are so fragile that teams know if they just can hang on in games and be one or two goals down, that in the latter part of the game whether if be us physically or/and mentally weak, that if they can get the upper hand and start putting us under pressure....there is a high likelyhood that we will inevitably crack. As fans we can see this coming, it's 'Here we go again" or "You can see a goal coming", I've lost count of how many times I've said that this season and I'm watching on tv. Imo that fragility has permeated through to the crowd at Anfield and to the players themselves. There is just a genuine lack of belief in the stands and in the players that we can hold on to games or that we can come back in games. Even worse is that, we are kind of at the stage when we do inevitably fall apart, I just feel a bit indifferent or mehh because that's what I expect us to do. I don't think it's just me either and imo that's when it's time for a manager to go.

[Mark79]

I don't particularly like xG as a stat but our xG was 2.96 yesterday the pen would have counted for about 0.7-0.8 so that's an xG of about 2.2 from 31 shots which equates to an average xG per shot of about 0.07 which to me suggests we aren’t creating good chances. 12 of those shots were from outside of the box so that backs up this idea.

We aren't prepared to move the ball quickly, which IMO we need to do against low block.We don't have the patterns of play to create big chances consistently because we are set up to control, keep possession and not take risks, which results in the high possession low quality chances and dire football we are seeing at the moment and that is why I believe we aren't setting out to win games.

I agree we struggle to create good quality chances. I still think we're trying to win, it's more a case of us being badly coached and largely ineffective at doing it.

We lack ideas, patterns of play and conviction. Our attacking play is laboured, slow, predictable and easy enough for oppo to deal with most of the time.

I think the intent to win is there, but the confidence and execution isn't

[S-RED]

To me he is setting up the side not to lose games but with no intent to win the game

this is exactly what he's been doing the past few months and what we see on the pitch is a slow, overly cautious, fragile, fear ridden side that doesn't have an identity because the manager doesn't know what we are and what to do with us. We can keep chugging along in the short term win some, lose some, draw some kinda thing with no long term plan or we can make the change a few months earlier than planned and maybe, just maybe we can get the feel good factor back.

Dead man walking. He's too scared of losing, stinks of Hodgson's England at World Cups

32 shots, 11 on target, over 300 successful final third passes.

The intent to win is definitely there, the know-how sadly isn't.

He is setting up teams to keep his job, not for the benefit of Liverpool FC or its players

[S-RED]

I don't particularly like xG as a stat but our xG was 2.96 yesterday the pen would have counted for about 0.7-0.8 so that's an xG of about 2.2 from 31 shots which equates to an average xG per shot of about 0.07 which to me suggests we aren’t creating good chances. 12 of those shots were from outside of the box so that backs up this idea.

We aren't prepared to move the ball quickly, which IMO we need to do against low block.We don't have the patterns of play to create big chances consistently because we are set up to control, keep possession and not take risks, which results in the high possession low quality chances and dire football we are seeing at the moment and that is why I believe we aren't setting out to win games.

i agree with this, 31 shots, but their keeper made 2 good saves from those; at best the rest were speculative. 5-6 'a keeper saves those' attempts + 1off the line & a load of blocked efforts that even even reached the keeper. For instance the Szobo cross that almost crept in at back post as everyone missed it, counts in that 31 & he wasn't even attempting to score from his action.

[Mark79]

i agree with this, 31 shots, but their keeper made 2 good saves from those; at best the rest were speculative. 5-6 'a keeper saves those' attempts + 1off the line & a load of blocked efforts that even even reached the keeper. For instance the Szobo cross that almost crept in at back post as everyone missed it, counts in that 31 & he wasn't even attempting to score from his action.

Not every model has counted it. Those that have have recorded 32 shots.

But anyway, no one is arguing about the general lack of effectiveness of our attacking attempts.

[Doc_Piptorious]

He is setting up teams to keep his job, not for the benefit of Liverpool FC or its players

Could it not be argued that if he is successful in setting up his teams to keep his job, that Liverpool FC would benefit?


There will be no doubt minimum expectations when it comes to keeping his job, if he hits at least those come the end of the season then he may well have earned another season to show this season was a (big) blip.


Just to play devil's advocate a little....say we finish this season somewhere between 4th and 2nd that may be enough to give him a shot to do beter next season. Would argue each position above 4th improves that chance.


Or if we finish between 4th and 2nd plus we win a trophy. Then he becomes a manager that has won a major bit of silverware in each of his seasons with us plus kept us in the CL.


I think there is no doubt that good arguements could be made to replace him, but at the same time I think, despite some performances on the pitch, that very thin lines are still at play between a poor season and an acceptable to decent one.


Plus there is another factor that has to be in play if the nuclear option of changing manager is in consideration. Who exactly is available right now?


The biggest name would be Alonso, but if slow build ups are a problem under Slot then I suggest folk look at how Alonso set Real up at times and how he set Leverkusen up a lot.

Even a quality interim manager, and we would need a quality one and not some stop gap figurehead, would be difficult to get imo. The one guy I can think of is the obvious name in Klopp, but that would require him wanting it, his current emplyers being willing to let him go and of course how much it might cost to buy out his contract.

Plus another factor with the bring Klopp back until the summer scenario is that we would need to have a quality manager pretty much nailed on now to join come June.

I also think that a lot of this season is not 100% on Slot.

Jota we have all discussed a lot and that has to still be a factor. But the performances of certain players is also a thing, players we do not have like for like replacements for at present so they are less likely to be dropped.

We also have been highly unlucky with injuries and slow to react this window to those injuries. Don't think with our transfer set up that we can put a lack of players inbound on Slot.

Maybe we have tried for summer targets and been told they will not move until the summer, but I won't be blaming Slot for that side of things. However I do think if we had reinforced early this month that an injection of some quality might well be making a difference now and possibly turning draws into wins a little more often.

I also think there is an element at play that involves us as a fanbase too. I reckon we are getting a bit of a spoiled brat syndrome at times. We get served **** sandwiches, we don't get entertained enough and we want changes and wins NOW.

We are a bit over half way through what we are calling an awful season (a season 16 other clubs in the league would be saying yes please to) and we are at times losing our heads as a fanbase.

Yes there are a lot of things we should be questioning as fans, yes it is easy to see flaws in the team and management, but we are also the ones that need to be giving support to the team, the manager and the club.

We can say it is on the club to entertain us, but what happened to You'll Never Walk Alone? What happened to sticking together through the bad times?

If it is only about being entertained, then fire up Netflix or Prime Video and fill your boots. Supporting a team does not come with any guarantee of being entertained or wins, just the hope of those things along with feeling part of a larger community.


For me it is pretty simple what needs to happen. We bring in at least one quality player this window (a CB ) or if two players the second is a pacy attacker. Then give Slot the rest of the season to hit or beat the minimum targets for this season. If he succeeds then we build on that in the summer, if he does not, well a new manager has a squad with that new cB and attacker already settled in.

[Kenneth]

I also think that a lot of this season is not 100% on Klopp.

Roughly zero I'd say.

[kingfunk]

Maybe Alonso doesn’t want to come in until the summer and until then it’s better the devil you know.

[peterbread]

Slot retains the backing of FSG, who have no plans to follow the lead of rivals Manchester United and Chelsea by making a managerial change mid-campaign.

However, if he’s going to stop haemorrhaging support among the fanbase he needs to find momentum, and fast. There appeared to be no obvious replacement for those demanding change. That’s no longer the case following Xabi Alonso’s exit from Real Madrid.

Alonso, who has a close bond with Liverpool dating back to his playing days on Merseyside between 2004 and 2009, would have been a strong candidate to succeed Jurgen Klopp in 2024 if he hadn’t vowed to stay at Bayer Leverkusen for another year. Slot then emerged as an emphatic first choice for FSG CEO of football Michael Edwards and sporting director Richard Hughes in their data-led search.

From James Pearce