Jordon Ibe

[Muddled]

Laugh all you want.

Im judging my opinion on having played loads of football and watching even more for a great number of years now.

That and the 199 minutes of football Ojo has played for us.

You should be a scout.

[Phoenix07]

I'm still of the opinion that he needs to be elsewhere next season, whether that's via a loan, or sell with a buy-back clause. I just think he needs a different environment, without the pressures of Liverpool, to develop and allow for the odd dodgy game here and there.

[redmike65]

We'll see. I don't agree with selling him. Theres no point, (unless someones offering stupid money) but i wouldn't be banking on him being our new super star winger. He comes across as a good kid though, and at least he doesnt act like a little prima donna ****house like $terling and Sinclair

He deleted all his social media stuff a couple of weeks ago, everyone assumed he was in a huff.

[wiw]

Felt a bit sorry for him after he was caught offside immediately after the thrown-in. No doubt it was stupid but when you **** up and know it, the last thing you want is your boss screaming at you telling you what a dickhead you are

[Harv]

Ojo hasn't done anything other than showing glimpses of his ability against lesser opposition. Ibe struggled in the semi-final of the Europa League and has been inconsistent with erratic game time all season. His inconsistency is typical of a young player and one who may be low on confidence which can lead to him (and others) making the wrong decision or dwelling too long trying to think of the right one.

We have a lot of raw, exciting young players but patience is the key. We'll praise Ojo when he's showing glimpses of skill and berate him when he can't do it week in, week out. Just think back to all the clamour for Ibe to replace Sterling. We've seen it with Origi and people questioning the purchase when he was on loan at Lille. He was probably coasting through games and counting down until the summer! He then comes in and because he doesn't score a perfect hat-trick, he's worse than N'gog .

Ibe may not push on, but I think our expectation of our younger players is set way to high.

Laugh all you want.

Im judging my opinion on having played loads of football and watching even more for a great number of years now. Some players just don't have the brain to put it all together. In Ibe's case, he's fast, he can dribble (into blind alleys) and has a strong, powerful physique that lets him barge his way past defenders. On the outside he has it all doesn't he for a 20yr old. But its all irrelevant IMO, as he just doesn't make use of it.

Confidence has little to do with it either. He hasn't changed, even when he was getting plaudits when breaking through, he was still running into blind alleys and showing absolutely no composure when shooting, passing and crossing.

Yes, he's young, he can learn more, i hear you saying. Maybe he can? But what he's missing is probably the hardest part to learn (if you even can...)

Ojo, in the brief glimpse we've had, has shown he has a brain. He has end product, he makes good decisions, he's not 'head down and charge' like Ibe. I don't need to see any more, you can tell straight away how a player reacts when in those positions. Doesn't matter what the opposition is, Ibe just puts his head down and runs, he has no idea where anyone is and when he shoots, he hits it as hard as he possibly can. Its infuriating. You don't need to hit the ball so hard. Look at Crespo, Owen, Inzaghi and Van Horseface of years past. How many times did you see them smash the **** out of the thing? They just rolled the ball into the opposite corner.

In Ibe's case, people desperately want to believe he will come good and he'll learn these things. But i don't believe he will be any more than mid table standard. Jermaine Pennant/Aaron Lennon/Ryan Babel standard. Glimpses of quality, but in the end, mainly just disappointment and untapped potential. Because IMO the things he's not good at just can't be learnt that easy. You either have it, or you don't. Its what sets the best apart from the rest. That football brain- just knowing where to be, what to do, where other players are, where the pressure is coming from, that ability to make everything look easy.

We'll see. I don't agree with selling him. Theres no point, (unless someones offering stupid money) but i wouldn't be banking on him being our new super star winger. He comes across as a good kid though, and at least he doesnt act like a little prima donna ****house like $terling and Sinclair

[baitman]

he looks good when he has the ball played in front of him and he has to run onto it, as do most attacking forward players.
he seems to like to get the ball run out wide and then it all comes to a stop...
he will then be stationary for a few seconds trying to bluff the defender to go one way or the other and then it often means he then passes back to the middle.

what could have been a break and a quick cross in to the middle just stutters to become **** all again
his passing is often slack as ****, just dont see it with him. he looked good on loan at derby. he needs game time away from the first team as his contribution is certainly not good enough.

these young lads need to be fully ready to come into the first team before they get the chance to be more than a last 5-10 minute sub.
they need a couple of loan periods at different clubs to gain more playing time and experience before we give them a first team shirt.

[redmike65]

It was a strange sub to make and that wouldn't have helped Ibe but even taking that into account it's hard to see anything remotely resembling football intelligence in his head - its the same thing every time - takes ball, is faced up by opposing full back, runs into same or attempts to go inside and loses possession. Rinse and repeat.

[RedReet]

He was fantastic pre-season. Think it's a pressure/performance related issue. He just seems to freeze and not play his natural game.

Brilliant in those few games before injury when we recalled him from loan too. Maybe needs a Sterling Norwich performance to get going again or maybe a few boos from fans will spur him on, as we're good that way.

[Maxiedge]

He was fantastic pre-season. Think it's a pressure/performance related issue. He just seems to freeze and not play his natural game.

[Alex]

I accept all of that but you'd expect to see glimpses from genuinely quality players, even a a young age. We saw it from sterling and Origi.

Yep I agree, I dont think we have seen the same thing from Ibe unfortunately.

[Kenneth]

I think we as supporters are desperate to have young players come through and do well for us. It makes you proud of the club and the work they do with long term training. Its way more satisfying to see a kid you have followed since age 18 break through and have a long sucessful career.

I also think we are looking for another Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler type person. Probably why Flanagan gets so much love.

I accept all of that but you'd expect to see glimpses from genuinely quality players, even a a young age. We saw it from sterling and Origi.

[Maxiedge]

I've noticed he really struggles when he comes on in high pressure games. Think it's a confidence issue which affects him to the point that he looks lost.

[Alex]

I think we as supporters are desperate to have young players come through and do well for us. It makes you proud of the club and the work they do with long term training. Its way more satisfying to see a kid you have followed since age 18 break through and have a long sucessful career.

I also think we are looking for another Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler type person. Probably why Flanagan gets so much love.

[Alex]

I think we as supporters are desperate to have young players come through and do well for us. It makes you proud of the club and the work they do with long term training. Its way more satisfying to see a kid you have followed since age 18 break through and have a long sucessful career.

I also think we are looking for another Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler type person. Probably why Flanagan gets so much love.

[Muddled]

He doesn't have thew football brain or awareness unfortunately. If he did, he would be immense.

Ojo on the other hand...

Ojo hasn't done anything other than showing glimpses of his ability against lesser opposition. Ibe struggled in the semi-final of the Europa League and has been inconsistent with erratic game time all season. His inconsistency is typical of a young player and one who may be low on confidence which can lead to him (and others) making the wrong decision or dwelling too long trying to think of the right one.

We have a lot of raw, exciting young players but patience is the key. We'll praise Ojo when he's showing glimpses of skill and berate him when he can't do it week in, week out. Just think back to all the clamour for Ibe to replace Sterling. We've seen it with Origi and people questioning the purchase when he was on loan at Lille. He was probably coasting through games and counting down until the summer! He then comes in and because he doesn't score a perfect hat-trick, he's worse than N'gog .

Ibe may not push on, but I think our expectation of our younger players is set way to high.