Jordon Ibe

[RedReet]

As frustrating as it is, you know you're going to get inconsistency from younger players and have to accept it (unless they're incredibly special). The problem with Ibe this year is that there have been no good performances to go with the bad.

He was the new Messi in August and the new N'Gog by September. He had a decent wee spell when Jurgen first took over, even made Uefa team of the week.

Ibe is in the UEFA team of the week - rather awkwardly shoehorned into a traditional winger role though.

Even Harv was saying then that we shouldn't consider loaning him out.

As disappointing as he's been, his inconsistency wouldn't be worrying me that much if it wasn't for the fact that Klopp seemed so unimpressed that he promoted Ojo ahead of him.

Origi on the other had was equally as poor at times, but he'd still shown enough for Klopp to persist with him.

[Irishnev]

Im going back to normal Harv mode

Personally I think Storage's and Sakho-**** are to blame

Oh and just to say in "normal Harv mode" I'd have expected a good derogatory nickname for Ibe at the end of the above quote

[Mike]

Who has said he can't be criticised because of his age?

There are a few people on here who will quickly write off everything pointed out and reply with "He's only young, give the lad a break" etc. Its not everyone, but I'm not having them saying that to me

[Mike]

As frustrating as it is, you know you're going to get inconsistency from younger players and have to accept it (unless they're incredibly special). The problem with Ibe this year is that there have been no good performances to go with the bad.

[Chazza]

Who has said he can't be criticised because of his age?

[Alex]

Think im on that side of the fence too.

I also really dislike the notion that a player cannot be criticised because of their age. Of course you have the be aware of it, but if as you say there are no signs of improvement. Then its fair game IMO.

[Harv]

amen

[Mike]

FWIW I completely agree with Harv. Yes Ibe is young but that doesn't mean we can't get frustrated and wound up with him and have a rant - he shouldn't be exempt just because of his age. I wouldn't mind if he did a few good things and occasionally dipped, but this is beyond a dip. It's every game this season.

The running down blind alleys, slowing down the full-back when there's loads of space in behind, being offside after the throw in, letting loose passes go in the opposition half - these are the things that require game intelligence. He has all the attributes to be brilliant, but so does Balotelli. Without game intelligence you'll fail to reach half of your potential. Yes he is young and has time to put things right, but there has been zero glimpses this season that he is learning and/or improving. Its the same old, every game. Its infuriating.

I wouldn't sell him or loan him out. He should get more time but needs to start taking things on board and adding to his game.

[RichC]

You are most welcome

[Harv]

I genuinely laughed out loud to that comment. Harv meet a football forum where most have played and watched a **** load of football, football forum meet Harv our resident football scout

I'd actually question if that many have played to a decent standard on here

Obviously we all watch it, thank you captain obvious.

[RedReet]

[Harv]

You can **** off too

Im going back to normal Harv mode

[RichC]

Genuinely found it funny. Ok to explain your reasoning I just found it funny

[Harv]

No need to be a such a patronising dick. Playing football to a reasonably high level and watching it almost religiously for 20+ years (not just our games) doesn't count for anything when judging if a player has talent or not?

You want to lick Ibe's ring, I think he's bang average and have stated why. I just posted a far lengthier post than i usually would, explaining it- and all you can retort with is some condescending ****e about i should be a scout **** off

I'll go back to being a sarcastic ****wit and making up more **** nicknames now i know your pleas earlier this year for me to argue my point properly are in fact a load of frog ****.

[RichC]

That and the 199 minutes of football Ojo has played for us.

You should be a scout.

I genuinely laughed out loud to that comment. Harv meet a football forum where most have played and watched a **** load of football, football forum meet Harv our resident football scout