Brendan Rodgers

[dww]

When we brought Brendan in I didn't want a young inexperienced manager to go with our inexperienced in football owners ,

I felt it was risky on all levels and should have got a manager with a great reputation to help in all levels of the club or even the DOF route which they wanted , but when Brendan refused to work with that I admired his confidence/belief when they could of quite easily said no thanks and gone for someone who would work that way ,

Now I agree he has made mistakes , but so did Rafa and Kenny as well , and I never wanted them sacked either ,

I still see a future with him as our manager with the right attacking players , if we bring another manager in won't we have more upheaval and be starting this all again ,

I think people forget that our squad is one of the youngest in the league who this season lost two of the leaders for two different reasons , Suarez leaving and Gerrard leaving in mind ,

I think it is an interesting era with different models being tried out in club organization. I think the transfer committee is potentially a good idea but one that has proved hard to work through in detail. I wonder whether having a young manager is a good thing (potential flexibility, willingness to innovate) or a bad (bring less to the table in terms of experience and network in the game).

I think we have over the last 10/15 years made to many changes without a good plan or people with insight and experience involved in making the decisions. Changing everything again seems like a mistake to me (assuming we don't have a secret and well devised masterplan).

[The_weatherman]

Dortmund have a Sporting Director.
I think that is different to what we understand or think we need from a Director of Football.

Problem with the DoF role at LFC is are they solely responsible for buying/selling first team players?
Who authorises buying in youth players?
Who is in charge of the academy and it's philosophies?

As I understand it currently the committee does the first one and Rodgers is in charge of the others.
The youth set up is very highly rated, why change that again 2 years after the last change?

If Brendan stays I'd like a DOF or SPD or a STD with experience and pedigree. Wouldn't want any changes to the youth setup though, it's been enough there.

[baitman]

The youth set up is very highly rated, why change that again 2 years after the last change?

if we brought in a DoF the youth set up need not change.
the dof would help ensure long term stability, keeping and refining the youth set up.
i would also like to see the dof oversee the scouting network, so the scouts are the clubs rather than being the lackeys of any manager.

[tanner]

its probably a fair comment to say that rodgers overachieved due to the goal contributions of suarez and sturridge, but to give him credit for it and then say our coming second buys him more time is bordering on farcical.
we would have still been amazing going forward, and maybe also slightly better in defence if we had one of the more established but less 'fancy' managers at the helm.

for all the attacking midfielders we have accumulated we still dont have many lads that we can rely on to tighten things up and make us a harder to beat team. some flair when going forward is great, but the lack of strength and power in our midfield allows other teams to simply bounce through and put undue pressure on our overexposed defenders.

I agree with all of that except the bit about it being farcical to give him another year based on last season. I don't think its good form to just move a manager out after one poor season, especially when it follows a good one, and especially when we're probably going to finish exactly where we should following our expenditure. The question will remain, who was the major factor last season, Luis or Brendan? He has next season to prove it wasn't all down to chompy.

However, I'd also argue that our expenditure should see us sitting far further ahead of the likes of Southampton.

I agree 100% about the squad weaknesses too, after the amount he's had over the 3 seasons here, we seem to have very few positive options on the bench and weaknesses throughout the starting 11, but who do we blame for this? I'm not entirely convinced that Rodgers is only a minor player on the committee as some would suggest when a transfer flops.

There needs to be more transparency imo. I think the fans have the right to form an educated opinion of the man in charge on the pitch as without us the club is nothing.

[Alex]

I agree with all of that except the bit about it being farcical to give him another year based on last season. I don't think its good form to just move a manager out after one poor season, especially when it follows a good one, and especially when we're probably going to finish exactly where we should following our expenditure. The question will remain, who was the major factor last season, Luis or Brendan? He has next season to prove it wasn't all down to chompy.

However, I'd also argue that our expenditure should see us sitting far further ahead of the likes of Southampton.

I agree 100% about the squad weaknesses too, after the amount he's had over the 3 seasons here, we seem to have very few positive options on the bench and weaknesses throughout the starting 11, but who do we blame for this? I'm not entirely convinced that Rodgers is only a minor player on the committee as some would suggest when a transfer flops.

There needs to be more transparency imo. I think the fans have the right to form an educated opinion of the man in charge on the pitch as without us the club is nothing.

Tend to agree with all this at the moment.

The bit in bold however. This club has always done its best to do things behind closed doors. For the most part its a good thing. Transfer committee being one of them.

For a manager to live and die by his signings isn't a good way of running a club I dont think. What happens on that pitch does. The rest is window dressing.

[Rowan]

hold on ...nah not worth it,i'll take on board what you say and shut my mouth and just observe the forums instead. last post
Novice owners[in football] and a novice manager walking hand in hand.

I owe you an apology then. I always thought you had a blatant disregard for anyone else's views and opinions but if you do what you're suggesting above then you obviously have been paying attention after all.

Good on you. Takes a big man to accept he's wrong and change accordingly.

[Lecter]

Surely the sign of a good manager is to continue progression even when you lose your best player

We lost Keegan, Paisley bought Dalglish and continued onwards
We sold Rush, Kenny bought Barnes, Beardsley et al
Ferguson lost Keane and continued on with bagging titles

Southampton were decimated by us and United and have progressed this year.....

[The_weatherman]

I agree with all of that except the bit about it being farcical to give him another year based on last season. I don't think its good form to just move a manager out after one poor season, especially when it follows a good one, and especially when we're probably going to finish exactly where we should following our expenditure. The question will remain, who was the major factor last season, Luis or Brendan? He has next season to prove it wasn't all down to chompy.

However, I'd also argue that our expenditure should see us sitting far further ahead of the likes of Southampton.

I agree 100% about the squad weaknesses too, after the amount he's had over the 3 seasons here, we seem to have very few positive options on the bench and weaknesses throughout the starting 11, but who do we blame for this? I'm not entirely convinced that Rodgers is only a minor player on the committee as some would suggest when a transfer flops.

There needs to be more transparency imo. I think the fans have the right to form an educated opinion of the man in charge on the pitch as without us the club is nothing.

Only recently Rodgers stated that he has first and final call on transfers, if he goes public with that I expect him to shoulder the responsibility for it.

[The_weatherman]

Surely the sign of a good manager is to continue progression even when you lose your best player

We lost Keegan, Paisley bought Dalglish and continued onwards
We sold Rush, Kenny bought Barnes, Beardsley et al
Ferguson lost Keane and continued on with bagging titles

Southampton were decimated by us and United and have progressed this year.....

Loads of clubs lose their best players but go on keep on progressing, much of the time it's a springboard to a new level.

[Alex]

Surely the sign of a good manager is to continue progression even when you lose your best player

We lost Keegan, Paisley bought Dalglish and continued onwards
We sold Rush, Kenny bought Barnes, Beardsley et al
Ferguson lost Keane and continued on with bagging titles

All of those things were done at a time when the respective clubs where the dominant teams in the country. Its also not 30 years ago.

Its harder when you cant afford to pay these people.

I mean, personally I would have gone and tested Man City with a £70m bid for Auguero. Replaced Suarez like for like and then seen what happened to the rest of the squad.

But I guess what we went for was overall strength, which is also a good strategy. Only providing the buys pay off. Which 50% probably havnt.

[Rowan]

Surely the sign of a good manager is to continue progression even when you lose your best player

We lost Keegan, Paisley bought Dalglish and continued onwards
We sold Rush, Kenny bought Barnes, Beardsley et al
Ferguson lost Keane and continued on with bagging titles

I'm not sure where he goes. He's right that goals are a problem and Sturridge's year has snookered him but of the 3 main alternatives (ballotelli, Borini and Lambert) legend has it that two of them were his picks. So it's as much on him as it is the committee or whatever.

Whichever way you look at it there is nothing but a mess

[Lecter]

I'm not sure where he goes. He's right that goals are a problem and Sturridge's year has snookered him but of the 3 main alternatives (ballotelli, Borini and Lambert) legend has it that two of them were his picks. So it's as much on him as it is the committee or whatever.

Whichever way you look at it there is nothing but a mess

Theres too many things stacking up against Brendan imo

Transfers last summer is a major point, and not helped by his comments about Spurs previously

Constant need to revert back to the Swansea system which doesnt seem to work for us

Availability of replacements

I get why people are reluctant to change but I feel like I did when we gave Houllier that last year. I perhaps wanted him to stay but knew in my heads that we had reached the peak we could under him and getting back to that level wasn't likely under Ged

I feel like that now, the only reason to keep Brendan is sentiment for me, because my head is telling me nothing is gonna change if he stays

[tanner]

its probably a fair comment to say that rodgers overachieved due to the goal contributions of suarez and sturridge, but to give him credit for it and then say our coming second buys him more time is bordering on farcical.
we would have still been amazing going forward, and maybe also slightly better in defence if we had one of the more established but less 'fancy' managers at the helm.

for all the attacking midfielders we have accumulated we still dont have many lads that we can rely on to tighten things up and make us a harder to beat team. some flair when going forward is great, but the lack of strength and power in our midfield allows other teams to simply bounce through and put undue pressure on our overexposed defenders.

Tend to agree with all this at the moment.

The bit in bold however. This club has always done its best to do things behind closed doors. For the most part its a good thing. Transfer committee being one of them.

For a manager to live and die by his signings isn't a good way of running a club I dont think. What happens on that pitch does. The rest is window dressing.

I'm not saying a manager should live and die by his signings alone, but it should be a factor taken into account, and at the moment its all cloaked in secrecy.

As has been pointed out though, Brendan has confirmed he has the final say so that clears it up I suppose.

The whole concept of the transfer committee sounds great and the best way to do things, but it doesn't seem to be working well in execution. Too many cooks perhaps?

[Lecter]

All of those things were done at a time when the respective clubs where the dominant teams in the country. Its also not 30 years ago.

Its harder when you cant afford to pay these people.

I mean, personally I would have gone and tested Man City with a £70m bid for Auguero. Replaced Suarez like for like and then seen what happened to the rest of the squad.

But I guess what we went for was overall strength, which is also a good strategy. Only providing the buys pay off. Which 50% probably havnt.

Southampton havent done a bad job of replacing 4 of their mainstays they lost in the summer

[danperkins]

My comment on Brendan Rogers having seen him over the last three years and seen him operate under different levels of stress based on results is the following.

No one can take away from him that he, with Luis Suarez created the most attacking exciting team I have seen from Liverpool since 1988. That success cannot be sniffed at. He did this with a combination of an inherited squad and some of his own players and with youth which he brought through.

At times this season Liverpool looked like they would recapture that sort of form and indeed we did for a bout 8 weeks. Things derailed roughly about the same time Sterling lost concentration and Gerrard came back. THese two factors destabilised the team in my mind.

What I see about Brendan is that he communicates with the press very well, but I have a nagging doubt about whether he dominates the team with his personality as great managers do.

THe interview done by Sterling suggests that this is not the case.

A top manager needs to bend all the players towards his point of view vision and have everybody on side and even if they are not on side they should understand the consequences, and understand their position within the team.

I am not sure that Brendan does this, but I do think that the likes of Shankly, Paisely, LVG, Ferguson, Wenger and Mourihno and other top managers did or do.

THe bottom line is tha I beleive that Brendan is a great coach, but will never be a great manager. I may be premature in my assessment, but I think he is probably too empathetic, and probably not enough sociopathic.

To succeed you need to have a steel drive. Not sure Brendan has this, but as a coach he is up there at the top.

THis suggests that Liverpool would need a Director Of Football model whilst Brendan remains as a manager.

thats how I see the situation.

good post