Brendan Rodgers

[Doc_Piptorious]

Personally I would take de Boer off that list. This isn't a job for a young manager who is still discovering his own identity. We have done that and its gotten us nowhere.

We need someone who is proven and who knows exactly the sort of football they want their teams to play. Another bad appointment and in 3 years we will be Everton.

de Boer is a young manager but he has shown, albeit in a weaker league, that he can take a club that was floundering somewhat and turn them into title winners.

After Ajax had gone through a pretty poor decade and a bit by their standards he went and won the league four years on the bounce (becoming the first manager to ever do so in Holland) and he has shown the ability to adapt his teams when star players are lost (in every season that he has been there he has lost one or more mainstays from the first team).

He has also shown a willingness to develop young players and seems to be a manager who learns from his mistakes.

This is his sixth season at Ajax so he will have gotten to do much of his early learning and experimenting on their dime.

But he certainly seems to tick a lot of the right boxes, and unlike Rodgers he knows what it takes to put together a title winning team and then put together title retaining teams.

Five full seasons at Ajax. Four league titles, one second place finish, and currently has his team in 1st place.

He might not be proven in a top league, but if we are to gamble on another young manager (and Klopp would not be far removed from that bracket either) then his credentials should look a lot like those of de Boer rather than those of Rodgers when he got the LFC gig.

[Rowan]

"Any" is too broad and all encompassing but I think an awful lot of managers would get more out of this than Brendan is

Yes I have confidence that another manager can operate within this structure

Brendan has almost a free hand this summer and hasn't gotten recruitment right so don't think he's been too hampered

A new 3 year project is preferable than this turgid ****e continuing

Totally agree. It's not the structure that coaches, picks the team or assesses tactics during the game. It's Rodgers. Get someone who can set the team out (and I don't care what anyone says. He's got a good squad at his disposal) and we're laughing. It's totally gash at the minute!

[Myo]

ok, so what about our brand name?
Surely at this point in time, FSG are getting worried about our brand name and selling shirts and the like, not talking about us oldies but all those usual band wagon jumpers that were itching to be a 'lfc' fan when we played brilliant football with Suarez and would have spent a mint for the brand in terms of buying everything and anything LFC related (again whereas us oldies would probably still buy but not at the rate/pace those wagoneers would have in the glorious period)...

surely since FSG love their stats, surely when is it goin to hit home that certain financial revenue is not exponentially growing and their new 'core' base fan growth is not at a level because fans are not buying as many shirts, tickets, et al, because we are not at attractive level at all compared to yesteryear? surely even if it's to grow our net worth so they can sell us off later on for a tidy profit, they surely must start to feel the pinch and look at some possible explanation for our dire predicament (in terms of this, our 'brand' of 'unexciting' football and negative press) and have the balls to make the decision??

[danperkins]

[Buzzo]

De Boer wouldn't be my first choice, however the guy is a winner.

A hugely successful playing career and a decent managerial one. One thing that has hampered Brendan is his track record. He's not got one. To achieve success at a top club, I think you need to have experienced it in your career at some point. I can't think of a single instance when a low profile manager who also hasn't achieved as a player has gone into a big job and proved a success (by that I mean delivered trophies).

We need someone who instantly commands respect. Who can point to times when they were in big matches and won.

We need more than philosophies and theories.

[captainfog]

I have never done this in my adult life, but I have a clash of events on Sunday. In all my life whenever there's been a clash, watching Liverpool wins out. Always. Even ahead of family events and stuff. But a combination of changing priorities and complete disillusionment with this ****ing ****, I won't be watching on Sunday. We'll only get stuffed and it will be painful. Losing to them, especially at Goodison, is ****ing horrible. So **** it.

I think we'll lose and he'll lose his job. Grim times.

If he gets sacked it will be good times! Would more than soften the blow of a loss.

[rodo]

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[Gibbo]

This is one of the funniest videos I have ever seen!!
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Brilliant.

[el matador]

de Boer is a young manager but he has shown, albeit in a weaker league, that he can take a club that was floundering somewhat and turn them into title winners.

After Ajax had gone through a pretty poor decade and a bit by their standards he went and won the league four years on the bounce (becoming the first manager to ever do so in Holland) and he has shown the ability to adapt his teams when star players are lost (in every season that he has been there he has lost one or more mainstays from the first team).

He has also shown a willingness to develop young players and seems to be a manager who learns from his mistakes.

This is his sixth season at Ajax so he will have gotten to do much of his early learning and experimenting on their dime.

But he certainly seems to tick a lot of the right boxes, and unlike Rodgers he knows what it takes to put together a title winning team and then put together title retaining teams.

Five full seasons at Ajax. Four league titles, one second place finish, and currently has his team in 1st place.

He might not be proven in a top league, but if we are to gamble on another young manager (and Klopp would not be far removed from that bracket either) then his credentials should look a lot like those of de Boer rather than those of Rodgers when he got the LFC gig.

For me where we are as a club we need to play the percentages. Out of those three who would in theory give us the greatest chance of turning our club around. Although nobody can deny de Boer has done some good things at Ajax, the other two represent the greater probability of success because of their track record.

We cant afford to take another punt on another young unproven at elite level manager. It has to be someone who doesn't need 3 years to make us competitive. 12-18 months is what top managers take to instill philosophies not never ending 3 year rebuilding jobs.

Both ancelotti and klopp would set their own imprint onto our club quickly and identify the weakness in our team. Weaknesses that Rodgers has created by himself.

[Doc_Piptorious]

De Boer wouldn't be my first choice, however the guy is a winner.

A hugely successful playing career and a decent managerial one. One thing that has hampered Brendan is his track record. He's not got one. To achieve success at a top club, I think you need to have experienced it in your career at some point. I can't think of a single instance when a low profile manager who also hasn't achieved as a player has gone into a big job and proved a success (by that I mean delivered trophies).

We need someone who instantly commands respect. Who can point to times when they were in big matches and won.

We need more than philosophies and theories.

Benitez and Mourinho to name two.


Benitez was not pulling up any trees pre Valencia and Mourinho was just as untested at a high level pre his Porto exploits.

Neither man has much by way of a top level playing career.

[Doc_Piptorious]

For me where we are as a club we need to play the percentages. Out of those three who would in theory give us the greatest chance of turning our club around. Although nobody can deny de Boer has done some good things at Ajax, the other two represent the greater probability of success because of their track record.

We cant afford to take another punt on another young unproven at elite level manager. It has to be someone who doesn't need 3 years to make us competitive. 12-18 months is what top managers take to instill philosophies not never ending 3 year rebuilding jobs.

Both ancelotti and klopp would set their own imprint onto our club quickly and identify the weakness in our team. Weaknesses that Rodgers has created by himself.

To be honest I am not so sure that de Boer would not set about putting his own stamp on things in a timely manner. He did so straight away at Ajax and then did it again and again as they sold their top players season after season.

He very much has shown that he can adapt his on pitch philosophies to best utilize the players he has available whilst still maintaining a playing identity that works.

At 45 he is a young manager, but he is also a young manager who knows how to win at domestic level and who knows how to keep winning at domestic level when change is forced upon him.

He then has the experience of having been a top level player to call upon, and he would be able to relay that to his coaching staff and players.


He would be a gamble but I wonder how much more of a gamble than Klopp he actually would be. Klopp has achieved titles in a much better league but I don't think there would be too much arguement when I say that Klopp also had a much higher level of players to work with and far more resources to hand.

What I like about de Boer is that he comes across as being very pragmatic along with seemingly having a fierce drive to win. He backs his own judgement but is also not afraid to take a few risks in order to break a rut rather than retreating into his shell tactically.


Just have a sneaky feeling about the guy that he might well be the type to excel if put in charge of a higher calibre squad and at a club with greater resources than Ajax.


Now if we were to go out and get Klopp or Ancelotti then I would not be on here bemoaning the fact we did not get de Boer, but if we got the Dutchman over that duo then I would still be a very optimistic supporter.


And speaking of Dutchmen, I would also be quite happy if we went and raided Southampton again and went for their pair of Dutch brothers as I feel that Koeman is another guy who has cut his teeth at a slightly lower level but who could well be ready for a bigger challenge plus he and his brother would bring a similar level of ex top player experience that the de Boer brothers would bring.

[Buzzo]

Benitez and Mourinho to name two.


Benitez was not pulling up any trees pre Valencia and Mourinho was just as untested at a high level pre his Porto exploits.

Neither man has much by way of a top level playing career.

I wouldn't call Valencia or Porto elite level jobs though.

Liverpool is (was) one of the biggest managerial jobs in world football. Valencia and Porto decent leagues to learn your trade. Villas Boas did well in Portugal but similarly hasn't transferred this to a top team.

[frank the tank]

To be honest I am not so sure that de Boer would not set about putting his own stamp on things in a timely manner. He did so straight away at Ajax and then did it again and again as they sold their top players season after season.

He very much has shown that he can adapt his on pitch philosophies to best utilize the players he has available whilst still maintaining a playing identity that works.

At 45 he is a young manager, but he is also a young manager who knows how to win at domestic level and who knows how to keep winning at domestic level when change is forced upon him.

He then has the experience of having been a top level player to call upon, and he would be able to relay that to his coaching staff and players.


He would be a gamble but I wonder how much more of a gamble than Klopp he actually would be. Klopp has achieved titles in a much better league but I don't think there would be too much arguement when I say that Klopp also had a much higher level of players to work with and far more resources to hand.

What I like about de Boer is that he comes across as being very pragmatic along with seemingly having a fierce drive to win. He backs his own judgement but is also not afraid to take a few risks in order to break a rut rather than retreating into his shell tactically.


Just have a sneaky feeling about the guy that he might well be the type to excel if put in charge of a higher calibre squad and at a club with greater resources than Ajax.


Now if we were to go out and get Klopp or Ancelotti then I would not be on here bemoaning the fact we did not get de Boer, but if we got the Dutchman over that duo then I would still be a very optimistic supporter.


And speaking of Dutchmen, I would also be quite happy if we went and raided Southampton again and went for their pair of Dutch brothers as I feel that Koeman is another guy who has cut his teeth at a slightly lower level but who could well be ready for a bigger challenge plus he and his brother would bring a similar level of ex top player experience that the de Boer brothers would bring.

well we bought all of their players so we may as well chuck another couple of million at them and buy their manager as well

for me, i would like to see Ancelotti. All day long. The guy is a class act and a winner. And I think he is a football romantic as well (judging by his comments on his visit to anfield last season with RM) so he may just fancy a move to anfield because he knows if he could possibly be the man to bring back a league title to Anfield, then he would be forever a legend. That is the only reason i can think of why he would come to LFC right now because he could just sit tight and wait for a club with much deeper pockets, much better players, much bigger payers to come along and he wouldn't risk his winning mentality CV one little bit. He could be the next manager of Bayern, Man City, Man United, Arsenal, PSG, Juventus or even one of the Milan clubs and have a better chance of enjoying success.

If Ancelotti wasn't the man, then for me Klopp would fit the bill. I don't think he would be a long lasting manager but at least he would get the players playing high intensity, high energy football. He would also possibly buy into the whole transfer committee malarkey that LFC seem to have. Although how long that would last I am not too sure. Finally, and this might be a big plus for FSG, he would probably attract some good young up and coming talent from the Bundesliga. Similar to when Rafa attracted Alonso, Torres, Reina etc, then Klopp might be the man who possibly gets us the likes of Max Meyer.....

The obvious attraction from FSGs point of view is that they wouldnt need to pay compo for either Ancelotti or Klopp. So essentially what it costs to sack Rodgers, they will invariably save on appointing his successor (if they went for either of the above)

If Klopp was not their choice, then De Boer would be a fair bit further down the list in my opinion.....I really feel that Benitez would have been a good appointment last season when we had the chance. And no matter what people say about Rafa, at least he could attract a few decent signings. At the moment we only seem to get players that nobody else really wants to pay for - so when nobody would pay £29m for Firmino, £32.5M for Benteke or £25m for Lallana, £20m for Lovren, then we have a free run. The recent snippets from Gerrards latest book about being used as a cheerleader to attract a new signing was interesting. Benitez managed to get Higuain for Napoli..... there is no way Brendan Rodgers, Ian Ayre and a text from Stevie G would have managed that. You have to wonder would Rafa have been a little more successful in attracting someone like Alexi Sanchez or Pedro before other clubs took them...

However, right now i'd take De Boer over Rodgers in a heartbeat....

[The_weatherman]

Del.

[DannyMan2006]

I'd want a manager who has done well in Europe & the league and has managed the squad to be competitive in both at the same time. People will say De Boer hasn't had the squad to do that at Ajax, but I don't care tbh. I want someone who has proven they can take us to the next level.

I can only think of Ancelotti & Klopp. The fact Ancelotti has won the league over here and has won the biggest trophies in the game makes him number one on my list.