Brendan Rodgers

[baitman]

its time to lay off rodgers. He knows he's in a bad place and that its inevitable he will lose his job. im sure the severance will no doubt put things into perspective but he's still a human being and deserves to be treated with respect.

we are not hurting his feelings as he isnt reading this forum.

if he was reading on here then he double deserves to be sacked as many of the lads have given advice that, if he had been more attentive, would have given him some sensible and achievable suggestions to get himself out of the hole he has been digging for himself.

[Fredo]

There's a lot of things about that season he that are brushed over imo

Yes we played great attacking football and pressed high up the pitch and Suarez and Sturridge were brilliant but one factor often overlooked is set pieces that season

We scored an awful lot of them. Far more than we have done at any other recent period. Also of our goals something like 50% of our first goals were set pieces (that is a huge number)

Everything seemed to click and go well for us. I remember saying after that season ended that the stars had really aligned with Suarez & Sturridge being on fire and the set pieces and that this sort of perfect storm probably wouldn't happen again

So I expected a drop off in goals scored. What I didn't expect was a drop off in performance levels and pressing and the level of that drop off

Since then I don't think there has been a period when I have felt that Rodgers has managed to arrest the decline. Even the run last year I didn't think performances were good

This year the decline has continued and all that despite spending a fortune

For me a decent manager will get more out of this squad than Brendan is at the minute. Hell look at one Ranieri is getting out of Leicester and I don't think he's that great a manager either

By set pieces, you mean penalties? I reckon that doesn't dilute the whole point that we were aggressive and teams had a hard time stopping us and had to commit mistakes to try and do so.

There's no guarantee that Klopp, or Ancelotti or Ranieri or whoever, will get things right. Maybe it's cynicism on my part, but we've been cocking things up on a regular basis over 27 years. Rodgers is now **** after 3 years in charge, so get rid and start again.

[tanner]

By set pieces, you mean penalties? I reckon that doesn't dilute the whole point that we were aggressive and teams had a hard time stopping us and had to commit mistakes to try and do so.

There's no guarantee that Klopp, or Ancelotti or Ranieri or whoever, will get things right. Maybe it's cynicism on my part, but we've been cocking things up on a regular basis over 27 years. Rodgers is now **** after 3 years in charge, so get rid and start again.

There's no guarantee with anything, but there's a history of success there to back up their credentials, rather than the dip into the unknown we had with Rodgers.

I think we need a new direction and one based on success.

[Lecter]

By set pieces, you mean penalties? I reckon that doesn't dilute the whole point that we were aggressive and teams had a hard time stopping us and had to commit mistakes to try and do so.

There's no guarantee that Klopp, or Ancelotti or Ranieri or whoever, will get things right. Maybe it's cynicism on my part, but we've been cocking things up on a regular basis over 27 years. Rodgers is now **** after 3 years in charge, so get rid and start again.

No I mean set pieces as a whole, that includes penalties, corners and free kicks etc ...

[G]

How do you work this out G? I keep seeing comments on here about how various members of FSG and our board "know nothing about football". Ayre for example has been employed in football before coming to LFC - not successfully I know but still, I doubt there's anyone, or at best one or two, on this site who have actually worked in the football industry so those sort of complaints, from people whose only knowledge themselves comes from watching as fans, seem rather odd to me.

How many owners of other clubs in the league, whether Glaziers or Sheiks, had experience and knowledge of football before taking over?

It is all well and good with hindsight to say Rodgers should have gone in the summer but to act like it was an open & shut case is just unfair. It is not in the tradition of our club to sack managers at the drop of a hat like some do, and choosing to give Brendan one more shot was a legitimate decision however it has worked out. I don't get how doing that extrapolates to knowing nothing about the sport?

They've been making football decisions over a period of time that has coincided with us being decidedly average on the pitch. They back the manager,they are keeping him in his job, they are on the committee, they are all responsible for our on pitch malaise. And Ayre was instrumental in removing Rafa and keeping us away from him since then. Mike Gordon is regarded as being FSGs most knowledgeable but that has only come in the last few years of them owning us.

It wasn't a legitimate decision to keep him at all it was a ridiculous decision, sacking his staff was a laughable response to a very poor season on the whole. Keeping a manager who ended the season as he did just highlights how far we've fallen.

[tanner]

They've been making football decisions over a period of time that has coincided with us being decidedly average on the pitch. They back the manager,they are keeping him in his job, they are on the committee, they are all responsible for our on pitch malaise. And Ayre was instrumental in removing Rafa and keeping us away from him since then. Mike Gordon is regarded as being FSGs most knowledgeable but that has only come in the last few years of them owning us.

It wasn't a legitimate decision to keep him at all it was a ridiculous decision, sacking his staff was a laughable response to a very poor season on the whole. Keeping a manager who ended the season as he did just highlights how far we've fallen.

[G]

Not to mention they've presided over a transfer strategy that at the very least has been poorly implemented and and worst is I'll suited to getting us to where we need to be.

[Fan65]

Rodgers has nothing to feel sad about, he's had a crack at it and failed but has earned a fortune doing it and will get a hefty payoff, Since he's been here he's also lost a few pounds by the look of it, he's exchanged his Mrs for a younger model and had a fair set of choppers installed.

He'll get another job soon no doubt.

So what's to be sad about?

[Maxiedge]

I don't feel sad at all. I can't wait till he's goneI'm buzzing now

I don't have any sympathy for him at all, for the reasons you've mentioned (edit- sorry not the personal stuff) and also, he's had a very fair crack at the whip.

Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't want Ancelotti here but it feels like the second coming right now

[frank the tank]

Wanting him sacked because people think another would do a better job is of course totally reasonable, but some of the personal and disrespectful stuff just reflects poorly on those who come out with it imo.

[Rowan]

I don't feel sad at all. I can't wait till he's goneI'm buzzing now

I don't have any sympathy for him at all, for the reasons you've mentioned and also, he's had a very fair crack at the whip.

Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't want Ancelotti here but it feels like the second coming right now

My view and emotions are more driven by the fact that we looked like we could become so good... Before becoming so mediocre. Excitement to pedestrian at best over one summer. 13/14 was immense but this manager just doesn't look like he can get us close and how much time and money is justifiable in letting him try. We stunk up the start and back end of last season and we're stinking up this one too and what's worse is that we're utterly moribund in style and show no indication that will change.

Time for a change.

[Fredo]

How long will people be willing to give a new manager, if things don't start going well quickly after a few weeks or months? Write off this year and demand that millions be given for the next boss to mould his team, or accept the fact that it's gonna be another long term process with new players (and probably some duds that'll split opinions along the way)?

This is football right. Not hard science (though I think Mattshark could probably make us successful by using statistics alone).

[chadrtc]

How long will people be willing to give a new manager, if things don't start going well quickly after a few weeks or months? Write off this year and demand that millions be given for the next boss to mould his team, or accept the fact that it's gonna be another long term process with new players (and probably some duds that'll split opinions along the way)?

This is football right. Not hard science (though I think Mattshark could probably make us successful by using statistics alone).

I would imagine it greatly depends who they appoint. Klopp or Ancelotti will get a while - pretty much anybody else linked with the job would be in danger after a handful of bad results. That's football these days.

[Mattshark]

How long will people be willing to give a new manager, if things don't start going well quickly after a few weeks or months? Write off this year and demand that millions be given for the next boss to mould his team, or accept the fact that it's gonna be another long term process with new players (and probably some duds that'll split opinions along the way)?

This is football right. Not hard science (though I think Mattshark could probably make us successful by using statistics alone).

Well Rodgers has had 3 seasons. Only one of them has been good. We are playing terrible football, there seems to be the same lack of cohesion as last season, we have never looked like we have a good defensive set-up and we are terrible going forward.

How long do we give him? It is not like this is an overnight thing, there is an apathy to us from months of having to watch this.

You are acting like this is a knee-jerk reaction, it really isn't, this has come over a long period of time.

[Roboklopp]

How long will people be willing to give a new manager, if things don't start going well quickly after a few weeks or months? Write off this year and demand that millions be given for the next boss to mould his team, or accept the fact that it's gonna be another long term process with new players (and probably some duds that'll split opinions along the way)?

This is football right. Not hard science (though I think Mattshark could probably make us successful by using statistics alone).

3 years+ is hardly reactionary. In fact, it's exactly the timescale he himself suggested.