Brendan Rodgers

[MrMichael]

Mike Gordon really making himself look a man out his depth, having him and Ayre making football decisions seems ridiculous, he knew **** all about the game 5 years ago, looks like he still doesnt.

How do you work this out G? I keep seeing comments on here about how various members of FSG and our board "know nothing about football". Ayre for example has been employed in football before coming to LFC - not successfully I know but still, I doubt there's anyone, or at best one or two, on this site who have actually worked in the football industry so those sort of complaints, from people whose only knowledge themselves comes from watching as fans, seem rather odd to me.

How many owners of other clubs in the league, whether Glaziers or Sheiks, had experience and knowledge of football before taking over?

It is all well and good with hindsight to say Rodgers should have gone in the summer but to act like it was an open & shut case is just unfair. It is not in the tradition of our club to sack managers at the drop of a hat like some do, and choosing to give Brendan one more shot was a legitimate decision however it has worked out. I don't get how doing that extrapolates to knowing nothing about the sport?

[Tribute]

I think Henderson getting sent off against City was the key point to that season

The slip can happen in any game but I genuinely think the loss of Henderson for those last 3 matches has been massively overlooked

this is why we lost the league. Henderson was instrumental in keeping it tight at the back and starting off counter-attacks quickly.

Gerrard's slip will always be the handy iconic moment to play back, but it was Henderson's red against City that scuppered the flow...

[The_weatherman]

How do you work this out G? I keep seeing comments on here about how various members of FSG and our board "know nothing about football". Ayre for example has been employed in football before coming to LFC - not successfully I know but still, I doubt there's anyone, or at best one or two, on this site who have actually worked in the football industry so those sort of complaints, from people whose only knowledge themselves comes from watching as fans, seem rather odd to me.

How many owners of other clubs in the league, whether Glaziers or Sheiks, had experience and knowledge of football before taking over?

It is all well and good with hindsight to say Rodgers should have gone in the summer but to act like it was an open & shut case is just unfair. It is not in the tradition of our club to sack managers at the drop of a hat like some do, and choosing to give Brendan one more shot was a legitimate decision however it has worked out. I don't get how at extrapolates to knowing nothing about the sport?

But Ayre is part of the transfer commitee as well, the sheiks got in people from Barcelona, Woodward isn't doing a great job by all accounts, Arsene picks his own players, Chelsea is difficult to say, who does what, but they are not the template.

If you have a CEO who is in the transfers committee as well, he needs to have experience of football, beside Huddersfield.

[MrMichael]

its time to lay off rodgers. He knows he's in a bad place and that its inevitable he will lose his job. im sure the severance will no doubt put things into perspective but he's still a human being and deserves to be treated with respect.

Wanting him sacked because people think another would do a better job is of course totally reasonable, but some of the personal and disrespectful stuff just reflects poorly on those who come out with it imo.

[Tribute]

its time to lay off rodgers. He knows he's in a bad place and that its inevitable he will lose his job. im sure the severance will no doubt put things into perspective but he's still a human being and deserves to be treated with respect.

He can't resign as he needs the severance pay to keep his new young love interest in the way she's become accustomed...

[tanner]

How do you know he threw them under a bus?

He might have gone to FSG and said my backroom staff aren't up to it, we need better and I want to change them.
That's not throwing anyone under a bus, that's striving to be better, that's showing a ruthlessness to succeed.

I know for a fact that Pascoe last season couldn't believe his luck that he was working for Liverpool FC, treated it as one big jolly up

They worked together before, they were the same coaches there when we finished second and Brendan was happy to take the plaudits. When things went pear shaped (because he wasted the Suarez kitty) he sacrificed the coaching staff to save his skin. That's my interpretation of things.

How do you know he sacked them as he was striving to be better and not to point the finger of blame elsewhere? How do you know that was Rodgers showing a ruthlessness to succeed, not to simply divert attention away from himself and save his skin?

[little dave hedgehog]

Wanting him sacked because people think another would do a better job is of course totally reasonable, but some of the personal and disrespectful stuff just reflects poorly on those who come out with it imo.

strikes me as strange that people reckon that not only are they privy to what goes on in private board meetings at the club, but also to people's inner motivations for taking these private decisions that they are privy to.

[Fierce]

How do you work this out G? I keep seeing comments on here about how various members of FSG and our board "know nothing about football". Ayre for example has been employed in football before coming to LFC - not successfully I know but still, I doubt there's anyone, or at best one or two, on this site who have actually worked in the football industry so those sort of complaints, from people whose only knowledge themselves comes from watching as fans, seem rather odd to me.

How many owners of other clubs in the league, whether Glaziers or Sheiks, had experience and knowledge of football before taking over?

It is all well and good with hindsight to say Rodgers should have gone in the summer but to act like it was an open & shut case is just unfair. It is not in the tradition of our club to sack managers at the drop of a hat like some do, and choosing to give Brendan one more shot was a legitimate decision however it has worked out. I don't get how doing that extrapolates to knowing nothing about the sport?

Erm, we can't use any of this as a stick to beat Fenway OR Rodgers with. Can you please edit?

Wanting him sacked because people think another would do a better job is of course totally reasonable, but some of the personal and disrespectful stuff just reflects poorly on those who come out with it imo.

And it's excruciatingly boring

[MrMichael]

But Ayre is part of the transfer commitee as well, the sheiks got in people from Barcelona, Woodward isn't doing a great job by all accounts, Arsene picks his own players, Chelsea is difficult to say, who does what, but they are not the template.

If you have a CEO who is in the transfers committee as well, he needs to have experience of football, beside Huddersfield.

My issue isn't people saying they don't think x or y are good enough at their jobs, its the constant assumption that everyone at senior / ownership level at our club knows so much less than the norm elsewhere about football when there really doesn't seem to be any empirical evidence to support that.

Do we know what Ayre does on the committee? If he is involved in identifying players then yeah absolutely that's ridiculous. But if he's there for financial reasons, contracts and fees etc, why is he not qualified enough? Our financial management over the last few years based solely on our books seems to have been quite good.

[Fierce]

How do you know he sacked them as he was striving to be better and not to point the finger of blame elsewhere? How do you know that was Rodgers showing a ruthlessness to succeed, not to simply divert attention away from himself and save his skin?

Because this isn't Hollyoaks?

[tanner]

Because this isn't Hollyoaks?

I used to love Hollyoaks.

[Lecter]

But that's how teams evolve and to his credit, Rodgers was thriving in that system. When he needed, he knew that he could play a diamond, and change for another game. Key was his adaptability when things were going well.

There's a lot of things about that season he that are brushed over imo

Yes we played great attacking football and pressed high up the pitch and Suarez and Sturridge were brilliant but one factor often overlooked is set pieces that season

We scored an awful lot of them. Far more than we have done at any other recent period. Also of our goals something like 50% of our first goals were set pieces (that is a huge number)

Everything seemed to click and go well for us. I remember saying after that season ended that the stars had really aligned with Suarez & Sturridge being on fire and the set pieces and that this sort of perfect storm probably wouldn't happen again

So I expected a drop off in goals scored. What I didn't expect was a drop off in performance levels and pressing and the level of that drop off

Since then I don't think there has been a period when I have felt that Rodgers has managed to arrest the decline. Even the run last year I didn't think performances were good

This year the decline has continued and all that despite spending a fortune

For me a decent manager will get more out of this squad than Brendan is at the minute. Hell look at one Ranieri is getting out of Leicester and I don't think he's that great a manager either

[Maxiedge]

Ian Ayre deals with transfer negotiations, doesn't he?

Personally, from what I've seen of him, I don't think he's sophisticated enough to be to be our CEO in today's modern cosmopolitan football climate.

[Vermilion]

Ian Ayre deals with transfer negotiations, doesn't he?

Personally, from what I've seen of him, I don't think he's sophisticated enough to be to be our CEO in today's modern cosmopolitan football climate.

Come on, surely you've seen the images of him in profile pouting while astride a Harley Davidson ??

Or is all you see... Robbie Fowler on his shoulders?



Anyway, Shaggy's the man to ask, he knows him better than any of us. Fact.

[Maxiedge]

Come on, surely you've seen the images of him in profile pouting while astride a Harley Davidson ??

Or is all you see... Robbie Fowler on his shoulders?



Anyway, Shaggy's the man to ask, he knows him better than any of us. Fact.

My general feeling is that we can get the players that want to join, usually as it's a step up for them (incl. salary), but are unable to convince those that need convincing.

I don't know why. I just get that feeling.

Shaggy did say, and I quote, that he felt things were being done 'on a back of a cigarette packet'.