Rafa Watch

[Arn]

He tried to publically pressure them onto spending money they didn't have

and that proved to everyone what G&H was all about when he did that. If he hadn't moaned about it then the asset stripping would have been a lot worse.

[Kenneth]

What a load of bull****.

What finished G&H off was that the supporter groups mail bombed banks, investment companies and so on to stop them loaning G&H any money.

Supporter groups that started and could continue to fight our corner because we had a manager that backed them all the way. A manager that wasn't prepared to sit quiet in the corner looking on when G&H sold player after player after player to pay the debt.

You would probably been happy if the manager just had sat there in the corner doing nothing and looked on when G&H asset stripped the club.

That asset stripping would have been a lot worse if it wasn't because of Rafa.

Rafa fought to get the power he needed to stop that happening. A fight he bloody well knew could cost him his job and in the end did just that.

Stop talking bull****.

Meanwhile, in real world where Rafa isn't omnipotent, Liverpool fans were not simply Rafa's sheep, they saw the problems themselves and reacted. The board didn't block the mortgaging of the stadium and future revenue because Rafa said so.

When it comes to Rafa you are propery mental.

[Shaggy]

When it comes to Rafa you are propery mental.

I didn't know you were Chinese.

[Arn]

Meanwhile, in real world where Rafa isn't omnipotent, Liverpool fans were not simply Rafa's sheep, they saw the problems themselves and reacted. The board didn't block the mortgaging of the stadium and future revenue because Rafa said so.

When it comes to Rafa you are propery mental.

and why did they see the problem? Never thought of that? Who leaked things to the media so they could see what happened?

[Kenneth]

and that proved to everyone what G&H was all about when he did that. If he hadn't moaned about it then the asset stripping would have been a lot worse.

It wasn't news by then. The second part is purely hypothetical. They asset stripped anyway so it wasn't that effective I would suggest. The main thing his conplaints achieved was getting him the sack.

[saj]

That was the key to the whole takeover. A couple of banks admitted that they didn't loan G&H any money because the supporters maid clear what would happen. It would have been bad business to loan G&H any money because of the pressure from the supporters.

It was not the key at all - it defnitely would have been a tiny influence in the risk analysis that banks carry out when determining whether or not to allow re-financijng to occur. The biggest influences probably were the fact that G & H were losing money in all their other investments in America, they were turning down realistic offers for the club, the global recession and RBS is pretty much state owned now. Banks are under heavy pressure and funding a football team would not be giving the finance world the confidence in an already crippled bank that is RBS.

I have many friends in the Banking sector if you wish to talk to them Arn

[Neil Young]

I didn't know you were Chinese.

Since he changed his username from Operation I sometimes confuse Kenneth with fredo.

[Kenneth]

and why did they see the problem? Never thought of that? Who leaked things to the media so they could see what happened?

maybe you could link some of rafa's leaks, such as the refinancing where the debt was shifted.

Rafa gets arsey when under pressure unfortunately. Last season, all the issues with the owners were out in the open. If rafa had kept his head down more he would still be here and we'd still have new owners IMO. Either way, no way was Rafa the main reason for the change of ownership.

[Kenneth]

I didn't know you were Chinese.

[saj]

maybe you could link some of rafa's leaks, such as the refinancing where the debt was shifted.

Rafa gets arsey when under pressure unfortunately. Last season, all the issues with the owners were out in the open. I'd Raa had kept his head down more he would still be here and we'd still have new owners IMO. Either way, no way was Rafa the main reason for the change of ownership.

[Arn]

We can take Man U some an example.

If Fergie had fought to get rid of Glazers then they would probably been gone by now. They would have been forced to sell up because of the pressure from Fergie and the supporters but what would have happened to Fergie then?

Maybe or maybe not he would have been sacked. He isn't prepared to risk his job fighting to get rid of Glazers. He backs them in interview after interview.

Rafa wasn't prepared to do that. He was prepared to risk his job to get rid of G&H. He fought against them in interview after interview telling everyone how bad owners they are.

Fergie isn't more stupid than that he know that he is so big that if he started to fight the owners then the backing he would get would most probably mean the end of Glazers at United but he could be sacked doing it.

He isn't prepared to risk that. He is prepared to wait instead not risking his job.

[Kenneth]

Since he changed his username from Operation I sometimes confuse Kenneth with fredo.

[Darkon]

maybe you could link some of rafa's leaks, such as the refinancing where the debt was shifted.

Rafa gets arsey when under pressure unfortunately. Last season, all the issues with the owners were out in the open. If rafa had kept his head down more he would still be here and we'd still have new owners IMO. Either way, no way was Rafa the main reason for the change of ownership.

[Catrin]

Just curious abouthe whole 'no pattern' bit. Since when has being formulaic in attack been a good thing. We had players all over the pitch scoring goal. Boo.

Roy Evans's team tried to adhere to the basic principles of pass and move but tactically they were very much "off the cuff." When it came off they were brilliant. However, unless you have a team of great players there are too many times when it just doesn't come off and you end up getting battered by Coventry.

[Arn]

maybe you could link some of rafa's leaks, such as the refinancing where the debt was shifted.

Rafa gets arsey when under pressure unfortunately. Last season, all the issues with the owners were out in the open. If rafa had kept his head down more he would still be here and we'd still have new owners IMO. Either way, no way was Rafa the main reason for the change of ownership.

Not a chance. They needed to get rid of him to be able to sell players. Rafa could have stopped that, he had the final say.