Jürgen Klopp

[Fosterbloke]

Well it's a **** plan, because we may never get the players he wants in.

Like Keita you mean?

[RedReet]

yup individual mistakes from the same guys all the time, if it is not one it is the other. It's been said over and over and over. Break that pattern by not playing the culprits.

That stat is crazy squandered more points from winning positions than any team in Europe since he took over. Mentality and composure... when the going gets tough we crumble. No leader's on the pitch to lift the side when heads go down and no leader's on the pitch to calm the side down when we need to see a game out. Rinse and repeat.

On this forum and I'm on all the other LFC forums we are all saying the same things for the last few years now.

The stat is logical and almost to be expected. We're a free scoring side and normally stat matches quickly, so it makes sense that the more times you score, the more likely you are likely you are to take a lead and be in a position to lose it.

By the same nature, we rescue a lot of points too and won more points from losing positions than any other team last year.

Yes, mentality and game management play a big part and it's not good enough to throw away so many points, but the stat isn't as shocking as people want it to be.

[Tatterdemalion]

The stat is logical and almost to be expected. We're a free scoring side and normally stat matches quickly, so it makes sense that the more times you score, the more likely you are likely you are to take a lead and be in a position to lose it.

By the same nature, we rescue a lot of points too and won more points from losing positions than any other team last year.

Yes, mentality and game management play a big part and it's not good enough to throw away so many points, but the stat isn't as shocking as people want it to be.

Surely the more we score the less likely we should be to surrender a lead? I think I get your point, that you have to be in front to lose a lead and therefore the more often you are in front the more likely you are to lose a lead, but not really. Otherwise City would be at the top of that list. We're more likely to lose a lead than anyone else because we capitulate more than anyone else, surely?!

[RedReet]

Surely the more we score the less likely we should be to surrender a lead? I think I get your point, that you have to be in front to lose a lead and therefore the more often you are in front the more likely you are to lose a lead, but not really. Otherwise City would be at the top of that list. We're more likely to lose a lead than anyone else because we capitulate more than anyone else, surely?!

My point is, it doesn't tell the full picture. You could lose 1-0 every game and be top of the points lost from winning positions table, but what use is that if you have no points?

As I pointed out, we were top of the points won from losing positions last year, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we had more of a winning mentality than the likes of Chelsea who rarely found themselves behind.

You say City should top that list, but they are better than us, which is why they aren't. That being said, they are more likely to be closer to the top that the likes of West Brom, purely because they take more leads in matches than WB do, but that doesn't mean WB are a better team or better at holding on to leads.

[Norbs]

You could lose 1-0 every game and be top of the points lost from winning positions table, but what use is that if you have no point.

Eh?

[RedReet]

Eh?

Points

A team that never or rarely takes the lead can't lose points from a winning position, so the fact that more often than not we put ourselves in a winning position can be considered a positive, even if it is disappointing that we don't always hold on to it.

What's so hard to understand? The more often you put yourself in a winning position, the more likely you are to drop points from a winning position.

[Norbs]

Points

A team that never or rarely takes the lead can't lose points from a winning position, so the fact that more often than not we put ourselves in a winning position can be considered a positive, even if it is disappointing that we don't always hold on to it.

What's so hard to understand? The more often you put yourself in a winning position, the more likely you are to drop points from a winning position.

Top of the points lost as in least points lost. I get it now

[Vermilion]

[dom9]

[Fosterbloke]

I reckon we'll be a lot stronger in midfield next season.

[BobTheCharmer]

I reckon we'll be a lot stronger in midfield next season.

Keita in and Phil out. The former may take time to adjust. So it's not quite a one in one out of equal footing. If we get another decent midfielder in I would be inclined to agree.

[Fosterbloke]

Keita in and Phil out. The former may take time to adjust. So it's not quite a one in one out of equal footing. If we get another decent midfielder in I would be inclined to agree.

Sorry that's what I was getting at, we'll need to replace Can too so yes I can see us getting another midfielder (Goretzka?).

Ox will be fully up to speed and hopefully Lallana stays fit!

So we'll have Lallana, Ox, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita + 1. Would be interesting to see TAA in midfield too.

[Tatterdemalion]

Sorry that's what I was getting at, we'll need to replace Can too so yes I can see us getting another midfielder (Goretzka?).

Ox will be fully up to speed and hopefully Lallana stays fit!

So we'll have Lallana, Ox, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita + 1. Would be interesting to see TAA in midfield too.

He can't get there quickly enough imo.

[Phoenix07]

A few of our players are going to have to pay attention to this over the coming transfer windows. I'm thinking of Lovren and a few of our midfield players, with the summer arrival of Keita. The bit in bold is key, and seemingly the next phase in our development. Elevate squad performance through training and having the ability to switch players when they're not performing, encouraging the below-par players to step up in training to win their place back.

“The really good players will always say that the challenge with other players for a position in the team will always help you. That’s how it is.

“We cannot go in a season with two centre-halves and hope nothing happens. The third one is already logical and if you have a fourth one then it’s even better.

“No player should and can play a whole season. At a club like Liverpool, we need to react in situations when a few of them are maybe not at their top level or injured. That’s what we did.

“I don’t think the boys were nervous, I couldn’t see anything like that.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/jurge...t1io1tyd9x99p9

[The_weatherman]

Pep Lijnders is gone, new manager of NEC in the Dutch First Division. Too bad.