Andy Carroll - Best Striker in the World

[Kenneth]

Rather than playing the childish 'youre not a real fan' nonsense again, lets go back to the actual point. There is no reason why a poor signing playing for Liverpool would not get stick on internet forums. It comes with the territory and to moan about it as if it is new, as if it something that you haven't done in the past, and as us being Liverpool means it should never happen is really quite silly. Football fans complain about players when they talk to each other; big ****ing deal.

[Rocky Sullivan]

Why not have a discussion about the subject and not what Craig is or isn't.

ok i apologize, tell craig im sorry.

[Craig_H]

Rather than playing the childish 'youre not a real fan' nonsense again, lets go back to the actual point. There is no reason why a poor signing playing for Liverpool would not get stick on internet forums. It comes with the territory and to moan about it as if it is new, as if it something that you haven't done in the past, and as us being Liverpool means it should never happen is really quite silly. Football fans complain about players when they talk to each other; big ****ing deal.

There's a vast difference between 'stick' and outright abuse. Surely you're capable of identifying the difference.

Anyone who abuses our own players isnt my idea of a supporter. Whether you like it or not.

[ChesterDave]

Does the same feeling extend to people abusing the manager?

[Kenneth]

There's a vast difference between 'stick' and outright abuse. Surely you're capable of identifying the difference.

Anyone who abuses our own players isnt my idea of a supporter. Whether you like it or not.

I wasn't aware that abuse was the focus of the conversation. It certainly wasn't in my post.

[Kenneth]

Does the same feeling extend to people abusing the manager?

Unless they're Hodgson I guess. We may be special, but apparently not special enough for that.

[ChesterDave]

You pre empted my next response

[Kenneth]

Not even Hull fans are that special.

[Buzzo]

The level of sanctimony in this thread is through the ****ing roof.

The worst I have seen is Carroll compared to Voronin? There is no point spending the time crafting a well thought out and articulate post, as it just gets lost in all this who is the best fan, most of our supporters are cunts bull****. It's a ****ing internet forum, surely people have the right to voice opinion? The ones who step over the line or are disrespectful are banned (Chris).

People are disappointed and deserve the right to say how they feel about things related to the club without being told they are a lesser supporter. I have made my views in other threads and personally haven't felt I've abused the legacy and traditions of our club.

But am I unhappy with how things are panning out right now, getting beaten by Bolton, QPR, Wigan, Newcastle et al. You'd better ****ing believe it.

[Craig_H]

I wasn't aware that abuse was the focus of the conversation. It certainly wasn't in my post.

Criticism isnt a problem. Carroll made a right mess of his chance and rightly should be criticised for it. Abuse and mocking, is just pathetic, though.

[Craig_H]

The level of sanctimony in this thread is through the ****ing roof.

The worst I have seen is Carroll compared to Voronin? There is no point spending the time crafting a well thought out and articulate post, as it just gets lost in all this who is the best fan, most of our supporters are cunts bull****. It's a ****ing internet forum, surely people have the right to voice opinion? The ones who step over the line or are disrespectful are banned (Chris).

People are disappointed and deserve the right to say how they feel about things related to the club without being told they are a lesser supporter. I have made my views in other threads and personally haven't felt I've abused the legacy and traditions of our club.

But am I unhappy with how things are panning out right now, getting beaten by Bolton, QPR, Wigan, Newcastle et al. You'd better ****ing believe it.

Do you think supporters abuse their own?

[Buzzo]

Do you think supporters abuse their own?

No, but i have been to games in other leagues and watched teams get booed of the pitch. You psy your money you have the right to voice your opinion. Its not my style, but its not up to me to tell others what to do.

However I have only seen a few posts which I would class as abusive though? And a few Hodgson PFK ones in jest. The majority are just pointing out the many and varied problems we currently have. Obviously there are a few 'ringers' posting and peddling an agenda. But equally there are a lot of people who don't post very often voicing valid concern. When does the run we are on bring about cause for concern? Easily that happens now.

The great man Kenny himself said no individual is greater than the club. I am sure he includes himself in that, and I think it is possible to voice concerns and criticise without being abusive.

Personally I don't see the level of abusive posting that you are suggesting, but I may be missing some.

[Craig_H]

I'm not telling others what to do, i'm just express my belief that my idea of a supporter doesnt abuse his own.

Likewise, they dont mock their own players either. Leave that to the mancs and bitters, they do more than enough of it. Our job is to SUPPORT our players, not mock them.

[Buzzo]

I'm not telling others what to do, i'm just express my belief that my idea of a supporter doesnt abuse his own.

Likewise, they dont mock their own players either. Leave that to the mancs and bitters, they do more than enough of it. Our job is to SUPPORT our players, not mock them.

****in hell I spend ages writing my posts and you only respond to one bit in a couple of lines

TBH I do normally look out for your posts after games, A. Because you normally go, and B, because you have a good knowledge of the game. However even you have stated it is tough to get motivated to go to the games right now, and I can understand why. It is tough going supporting Liverpool right now, and thats because our results are horrible - we look like we can lose to anyone.

I agree we support, but surely we also critique. Otherwise we are just morons. When someone misses an open goal you don't cheer, you groan. Its human nature. But mocking, no I don't agree with that

[Fredo]

If we can't stand behind Kenny then **** knows who we will, irrespective of his failings.