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I k that Carrol's true value is that any team he plays for is going to have a chance to stay in the league. I think that to those types of teams he's worth an extra 8-10 points a season. Putting a price on that is the difficult bit.
It's a very good finish to be fair, although the build up has Big Sam written all over it
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Trading places: Liverpool and Newcastle in talks over Andy Carroll for Hatem Ben Arfa swap
4 Apr 2013 22:31 By David Maddock Comments
Contact has been made about potential summer deal to take the big striker home to St James' Park in exchange for injury-prone French ace
Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers is ready to send Andy Carroll back to Newcastle - in a swap deal involving Hatem Ben Arfa.
France international Ben Arfa and is one of three attacking midfield players Rodgers is looking at as potential summer recruits for the Reds.
Tentative contact has been made over the prospect of a possible trade that would see Carroll returning to the hometown club he left for a record-breaking £35million in January 2011 in exchange for brilliant but brittle Ben Arfa.
Newcastle are now seriously considering a bid for the England international, in an attempt to engineer what would be a popular homecoming.
The alternative for Carroll, whose season-long loan deal with West Ham ends next month, is a role as a fringe player at Anfield next season.
But, ideally, Rodgers wants to recoup the £17million option the Hammers held on the player.
The Mirror understands relations between Liverpool and Newcastle have thawed dramatically since last summer, when there was a major bust-up between Rodgers and counterpart Alan Pardew following a loan bid for Carroll.
Rodgers admits he is having to rebuild the club and compares the situation he inherited to the job faced in the 1960s by Bill Shankly, the Reds' greatest ever manager back.
While the current manager was careful not to compare himself to Shanks he said: "My job is to build the club again, like Bill Shankly did very successfully to set up the many successful eras that everyone remembers Liverpool for.
"First and foremost there is no comparison in relation to those greats of the past; those two managers, Shankly and Bob Paisley, will always be remembered here.
"But I am trying to replicate what Bill Shankly did - and it's a huge challenge, because the club is an institution. It is a challenge I've enjoyed every minute of, and I've seen real progress this season which I would expect us to continue that over the next couple of years."
Liverpool sit seventh - a long way from the summit of the English game they dominated for decades under the inspiring stewardship of first Shankly and then Paisley in the 1960s and 1970s.
And Rodgers revealed he has been careful to ensure the inspiration of the past acts as a motivation for the future of his team, by reminding them of the standards required from such a massive club.
To that end, he restored the original This is Anfield sign in the tunnel at the famous old stadium and he explained: "The past is everything here, and things like the sign are symbols of that great past.
"It is important we are not held hostage to our history, but also to know what an incredible club it is - you only need to walk into the reception to see a European Cup in the hallway, so you know that everyday you come in you have to be good.
"We must use that as motivation and commitment for our future. The wonderful players and managers that we have had here provide inspiration to us to try and recreate those memories."
Except, unlike those 2, when fit he's actually good
I could not dig, I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.
We just need him off the books this summer at any price. Then we can forget about him and stop going over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over about how we over paid £35million for him.
He's just a good old fashioned bruiser type centre forward and luckily Brendan wants to play pass and move so Goodnight Vienna Andy and good luck, you seem a nice lad.
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