Banana disgraces self at Scotland game

[dww]

You called the whole Scottish fans horrible *******s not the one individual who chucked a banana (and it seems it wasn't even a Scottish fan anyway). Far to fast to use a rod to beat Scottish fans with and you took great delight in the fact it wasn't the English fans as it usually is.

I'm not sure that is fair, although I can see how you came to that conclusion.

The thing is that fans as groups are often tarred with the same brush and consequently do have to be conscious of that. It is a shame that people on here (from both sides - there always seem to be conversations in which all England fans are lumped together as violent, neanderthal racists) can't have a discussion in which it is taken as read that the actions of individuals are not necessarily representative of the group.

It does, however, seem important that football fans should all try their best to help the situation. The change in attitude to racist abuse in English domestic football being an example of how the community as well as legislature has done a great job, the pathetic failure to act on homophobia less impressive.

[Shaggy]

I'm not sure that is fair, although I can see how you came to that conclusion.

The thing is that fans as groups are often tarred with the same brush and consequently do have to be conscious of that. It is a shame that people on here (from both sides - there always seem to be conversations in which all England fans are lumped together as violent, neanderthal racists) can't have a discussion in which it is taken as read that the actions of individuals are not necessarily representative of the group.

It does, however, seem important that football fans should all try their best to help the situation. The change in attitude to racist abuse in English domestic football being an example of how the community as well as legislature has done a great job, the pathetic failure to act on homophobia less impressive.

Exactly. Over the years on here England and England fans have had far more **** thrown at them from the Scots (and a lot of English to be fair). In fact it's near-constant, and as Scotland and Wales in particular are basically the Everton of international football, giant chips on their collective shoulder, it's all they ever go on about. All that "Ingerlund" stuff and lumping every person who does follow the England national team into the thick as pig **** hooligan bracket. But as soon as an English person dares to question the recent terrible behaviour of some Scottish sports fans, they get all uppity. Well boo-hoo!

[The Erectile Banana]

Exactly. Over the years on here England and England fans have had far more **** thrown at them from the Scots (and a lot of English to be fair). In fact it's near-constant, and as Scotland and Wales in particular are basically the Everton of international football, giant chips on their collective shoulder, it's all they ever go on about. All that "Ingerlund" stuff and lumping every person who does follow the England national team into the thick as pig **** hooligan bracket. But as soon as an English person dares to question the recent terrible behaviour of some Scottish sports fans, they get all uppity. Well boo-hoo!

That's exactly the kind of response I'd expect from a violent, Neanderthal racist.

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**** you Shaggy, how dare you call us Everton. Throws Haggis, neeps and tatties @ shaggy.

[Shaggy]

[IN_RAFA_WE_TRUST]

That's well put me off my halal chicken tikka baguette.

[Helios Creed]

Exactly. Over the years on here England and England fans have had far more **** thrown at them from the Scots (and a lot of English to be fair). In fact it's near-constant, and as Scotland and Wales in particular are basically the Everton of international football, giant chips on their collective shoulder, it's all they ever go on about. All that "Ingerlund" stuff and lumping every person who does follow the England national team into the thick as pig **** hooligan bracket. But as soon as an English person dares to question the recent terrible behaviour of some Scottish sports fans, they get all uppity. Well boo-hoo!

That's it, Shaggy you bastarrrrrrrrd!

[Helios Creed]

That's well put me off my halal chicken tikka baguette.

well, I wouldn't let him drizzle anything on it...

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[Red_Polo]

Do you think anyone ate the banana in the end? I suppose it was evidence, but everyone needs there five a day. Come to think of it what do the police do with perishable evidence to stop it rotting before trial? Is fruit the perfect murder weapon?

[Daniel 7]

Not saying this exonerates or excuses...just saying.

Anyway....that the banana wasn't in batter would suggest it wasn't from a Scotland fan anyway

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/mar/28/banana-neymar-emirates-racism

The Tartan Army might discover that mud sticks. And often unfairly.

The post-match allegations from Neymar regarding his treatment during Sunday's meeting between Brazil and Scotland will have been published around the world. Although his words were not explicit, the implication from the 19-year-old was clear: Neymar believed he had been singled out for booing during Brazil's 2-0 victory on an issue of skin colour.

That sentiment was given credence by the removal of a banana from the field of play after the outstanding Neymar claimed his second goal of the afternoon. And yet, the banana incident remains confusing.

At worst, it would be a deplorable throwback to the 1980s, when such antics were displayed towards black players on British grounds. Few Scottish supporters need reminding of the treatment dished out to Mark Walters in his early days as a Rangers player.

But that banana emanated from the north end of the Emirates stadium, an area populated largely by those supporting Brazil. Today, the match commander from Sunday's friendly encounter took time to praise the Scottish support inside the stadium.
The only eye-witness testimony available thus far, via Twitter, claims the banana appeared as a result of South American over-exuberence. Moreover, there has been no formal complaint made by the Brazilian Football Confederation.

Nonetheless, how common is it for people to take bananas into football matches? The timing too raises questions given the recent shocking image of another Brazilian player, Roberto Carlos, being taunted by the same item during a game in Russia. Effectively, Sunday's banana snapshot was an image which people would instantly and historically link with racist behaviour. The problem for Scottish (and English) football is that until evidence appears to the contrary, people who have seen the image will probably understandably believe the worst.

Neymar's own comments, as misleading as they may be in veiled reference to Scottish supporters, linked the banana throwing to jeering towards him in the friendly.

"I feel great and scored two but what happened with the banana is sad... They were jeering me a lot, even when I was about to kick the penalty. This atmosphere of racism is totally sad."
In fact, the two topics should be treated as exactly that; separate.

In general terms, followers of Scotland's national team have plenty flaws. Their anti-English sentiment can become tiresome, a willingness to celebrate in defeat has done little to aid the national team and fondness for over-indulgence with alcohol often portrays anything but a positive image of the country they purport to represent.

Nonetheless, and thankfully, abuse of players on the grounds of skin colour is as close to non-existent as you will find. The theory that thousands of fans gave Neymar a hard time on Sunday because of colour-prejudice, then, has next to no basis. The testimony of Hamish Husband, the Tartan Army's spokesman, calling the suggestion "aboslute tosh", is fair in this regard. Neymar had riled the Scottish contingent for - in their belief - embellishing a series of tackles, including one which won a penalty kick.

It was needless for that sizeable Scottish following to jeer Neymar from the field when he was eventualy substituted. The youngster had, after all, lit up the contest with a terrific display, but that behaviour had resonance in football rather than anything more sinister. Other black players in the Brazilian team, Ramires among them, were ignored by Scottish fans.

If events in London were, however, to prove a stark reminder that racism on grounds of skin colour remains an issue in football then authorities have to act. No words of condemnation are strong enough for such antics, inside a football ground or otherwise.

But for Scotland's supporters to be associated with racism due to the unproven actions of one person among a crowd of 53,087 would be a blatant disservice.

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[Daniel 7]

There is a bit of the Everton about us as fans though...I supprted Algeria, USA and Germany during the World Cup

I was stood in a pub in the city centre in Liverpool in 2002 and accidentally cheered when Ronaldinho fluked Seaman, and was in the same pub in 2000 when we won against England in the Euro 2000 playoff. Shame faced to admit that everyone was supporting Scotland along with me by the end and me and my mate were bought drinks and had a great night when we were narrowly knocked out.

Yeah, I blame the media.

[the rev leeroy brown]

Do you think anyone ate the banana in the end? I suppose it was evidence, but everyone needs there five a day. Come to think of it what do the police do with perishable evidence to stop it rotting before trial? Is fruit the perfect murder weapon?

The legendary Alan Partridge already thought about that:

Alan: Nice tray of plums, there. Just put nice plums. This is lovely this, [stroking some leeks], this is sort of like an old lady's hair. An old lady's blonde hair. Quite attractive. I mean, put that down as a plus point. These are nice [pointing to some courgettes]. Got a nice, kind of glossy, finish. I knew a bloke who had fingers like that once. He's dead now, an Irish navvy full of angina. Wasn't pleasant. Cabbages, don't like cabbages at all. Come on, let's get through this lot. [Alan walks quickly past the cabbages] Cabbages, all one and the same. Take your pick. I'm not sure about these [onions], because I don't know whether this protrusion is a good or bad thing. Actually, [Alan is holding an onion, by the stalk, in his hand] this would make a very good murder weapon because you could beat someone to death, then eat the evidence. Agatha Christie's probably already thought of that one. The Onion Mystery, The Onion Murders. Good idea for a programme. Not that the BBC would commission it

[Rudo]

Exactly. Over the years on here England and England fans have had far more **** thrown at them from the Scots (and a lot of English to be fair). In fact it's near-constant, and as Scotland and Wales in particular are basically the Everton of international football, giant chips on their collective shoulder, it's all they ever go on about. All that "Ingerlund" stuff and lumping every person who does follow the England national team into the thick as pig **** hooligan bracket. But as soon as an English person dares to question the recent terrible behaviour of some Scottish sports fans, they get all uppity. Well boo-hoo!

You slate England time after time man, but when a Scottish man or an Irish man slag England off your true colours come out

It's a bit like when one has an argument with a family member - the insults fly about left, right and centre, but should someone else speak badly about this family member you'd defend them to the hilt