Racism in Football

[tsb]

there is a link to a pdf of the actual judgement on the BBC article. About half way down on the right.

Cheers

[Exiled_red]

After the Suarez incident didn't the FA basically sat that context is irrelevant and that there are certain words/phrases that should be said on a football pitch under any circumstances. Which means if they apply the same criteria he should get the same ban as Suarez...

[Vermilion]

there is a link to a pdf of the actual judgement on the BBC article. About half way down on the right.

[TheElephantMan]

I've never really had to question racism, it doesn't really affect me. I'm white British in a largely white British community. The Evra v Suarez case really made me think and realise how difficult it is to determine what racism is. I see millionaire footballers and they're constantly abused by opposing fans, it's part of the game. I wonder what harm a racist comment would really have on a footballer? I'm not dismissing the concept that racism is unacceptable, but I wonder how much Patrice Evra for instance was really damaged by Suarez making reference to his skin colour 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 10 or more times? I think the damage was zero. People are genuinely affected by racism on a daily basis and the current trend for footballing accusations is damaging to the genuine cause against racism. This whole thing is a complete load of bollocks. The only person I'm annoyed with during this saga is Glen Johnson who admitted that Suarez referred to him as negrito and didn't state that it's culturally unacceptable.

The point I'm trying to make is that the recent discussions relating to racism in football have been far more damaging to the cause than helpful. Patrice Evra and John Terry have made a mockery of the progress previously made.

[MrMichael]

Correct result. You can't convict someone with this kind of doubt. Burden of proof Suarez should have had.

Absolutely.

Totally. Only annoying thing is that Suarez would have been found the same if he went through the system this way.

Yup, definitely.

it didnt help that suarez admitted he said negrito, as he thought it was perfectly acceptable. he should have had some better advice from the clubs lawyers

No, he should have had a better defence from the lawyers, but admitting he said the word "black" in Spanish wasn't the issue. It was the context the FA believed it had been used in, to insult or wind up Evra on the basis of his colour. Pretty much like in this case with Terry, though with the opposite result. Terry admitted saying "black c*nt" (which would appear much more intrinsically offensive than just "negro" on its own) but the prosecution were unable to prove beyond doubt that it had been used in an offensive context.

The issue in comparing the two cases is simply the difference in burden of proof, the difference in the institutions dispensing judgement, and also probably the difference in quality of legal defence.

Nail on the head I think

We're all hypocrits if we think it's ok to find someone guilty when there's reasonable doubt (there just about was here). We all were up in arms that Suarez wasn't afforded the same benefit of the doubt.

Even if it is John Terry

Indeed.

so much for british law...

Bleh, nothing wrong with the law, right decision legally was made here. Whether that reflects the truth of the situation, as far as anyone other than John Terry knows what that was, is irrelevant.

[Shaggy]

I see Rio Ferdinand called Ashley Cole "a choc ice" on Twitter this morning. He's since shat his pants, deleted it, and posted "It's sarcasm!"

[Lee]

Oh dear.

What a bunch of children.

[Alex]

Rio has come out of this looking as bad as Terry. He has no clue what's going on and is just siding with his brother. He has made him self look like a cunt.

[ChesterDave]

Rio looks thick as pig **** so it hardly seems a leap to him actually being thick as pig ****

[Liverpel]

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/interviewing-people-outside-the-john-terry-trial-anton-ferdinand-fans-racism

[Exiled_red]

Just heard on the radio that the FA are going to look at the court documents before deciding whether they will proceed with their own investigation.

It looks like they're looking for excuses to let him off

[Kenneth]

Some crackers there.

Javid: I’m here for John Terry. The Queen’s Park Rangers situation, this is not my business, I come only because I love John Terry. He is my favourite. I come to court because I am behind John Terry forever, and even if he’s convicted, I would go to jail on behalf of John Terry.

Hard to beat the first one though.

[ChesterDave]

No doubt JT would ensure Javid's wife wants for nothing while he is doing time

[tsb]

I see Rio Ferdinand called Ashley Cole "a choc ice" on Twitter this morning. He's since shat his pants, deleted it, and posted "It's sarcasm!"

That is terrible. Similar sort of comment that Powar made to that fella on Twitter.

[ChesterDave]

A Bristol Councillor was convicted for a racial offense for calling a fellow councillor a coconut. Ferdinand and Powar should both count themselves lucky.