Mascherano is a Red and he can play for us!

[Parm]

Saw on Friday that Rafa thought that there could be a decison for Monday.

[AFII]

NOT much to laugh about at West Ham these days...apart from third-choice goalkeeper Jimmy Walker's brilliant column in the Upton Park programme.

Saturday's effort contained a fond farewell to Javier Mascherano, with details of the Argentinian's worst day of so many bad days with the Hammers.

Walker wrote: "I have to tell you about his day from hell when his interpreter Ciaran had forgotten to tell him the team had the day off.

"Javier drove to the training ground but broke down as he had run out of petrol so he walked to the nearest petrol station but realised he had no money.

"He had to ring Ciaran and ask him to speak to the petrol station manager, but they were not having any of it and just said 'if he does not have any money he is not getting any petrol'.

"He had to walk to the training ground to borrow some money off Anton, who was in for treatment, and also discovered the team were not in. He walked back, filled the petrol can up, walked to his car put the petrol in and set off back home. Then half a mile up the road a taxi crashed into the back of him. When he was telling me about it in his broken English he finished the story by saying, 'Jimmy, I get home, I shut the curtains and I sleep'."

CLICKY - The Mirror

[desertscouser]

NOT much to laugh about at West Ham these days...apart from third-choice goalkeeper Jimmy Walker's brilliant column in the Upton Park programme.

Saturday's effort contained a fond farewell to Javier Mascherano, with details of the Argentinian's worst day of so many bad days with the Hammers.

Walker wrote: "I have to tell you about his day from hell when his interpreter Ciaran had forgotten to tell him the team had the day off.

"Javier drove to the training ground but broke down as he had run out of petrol so he walked to the nearest petrol station but realised he had no money.

"He had to ring Ciaran and ask him to speak to the petrol station manager, but they were not having any of it and just said 'if he does not have any money he is not getting any petrol'.

"He had to walk to the training ground to borrow some money off Anton, who was in for treatment, and also discovered the team were not in. He walked back, filled the petrol can up, walked to his car put the petrol in and set off back home. Then half a mile up the road a taxi crashed into the back of him. When he was telling me about it in his broken English he finished the story by saying, 'Jimmy, I get home, I shut the curtains and I sleep'."

CLICKY - The Mirror

I hope his bad luck isn't contagious.

[Guest]

Midfielder Javier Mascherano is set to be cleared to play for Liverpool within 48 hours following his move from West Ham on transfer deadline day, which was dogged by red tape. (Daily Mirror)

[cadmium]

NOT much to laugh about at West Ham these days...apart from third-choice goalkeeper Jimmy Walker's brilliant column in the Upton Park programme.

Saturday's effort contained a fond farewell to Javier Mascherano, with details of the Argentinian's worst day of so many bad days with the Hammers.

Walker wrote: "I have to tell you about his day from hell when his interpreter Ciaran had forgotten to tell him the team had the day off.

"Javier drove to the training ground but broke down as he had run out of petrol so he walked to the nearest petrol station but realised he had no money.

"He had to ring Ciaran and ask him to speak to the petrol station manager, but they were not having any of it and just said 'if he does not have any money he is not getting any petrol'.

"He had to walk to the training ground to borrow some money off Anton, who was in for treatment, and also discovered the team were not in. He walked back, filled the petrol can up, walked to his car put the petrol in and set off back home. Then half a mile up the road a taxi crashed into the back of him. When he was telling me about it in his broken English he finished the story by saying, 'Jimmy, I get home, I shut the curtains and I sleep'."

CLICKY - The Mirror

You shouldn't laugh at the lads misfortune, but that's hilarious!

[Rich]

Midfielder Javier Mascherano is set to be cleared to play for Liverpool within 48 hours following his move from West Ham on transfer deadline day, which was dogged by red tape and FA incompetence . (Daily Mirror)

[tomasjj]

I think this will prove to be an awesome signing for us.
A masterstroke.

[Guest]

I think this will prove to be an awesome signing for us.
A masterstroke.

He's better than Alonso in my book.

[bazza76]

Tevez is loaned out by MSI to West Ham, they said that West Ham have signed him but it's MSI who will get any transfer fee if West Ham sells him.

We are loaning Mascherano from West Ham who have loaned him from MSI. That's the difference.

I got the impression that it was the agent thing that was the sticking point, the Preierleague made a mistake in only realising now what was going wrong. The Westham loan does complicate things further alright though.
Its the thrid party owner that is the main problem.

[AFII]

MAS MISERY TO END IN 48 HOURS
By John Cross 12/02/2007

JAVIER MASCHERANO is set to be confirmed a Liverpool player within the next 48 hours.

The World Cup star, 22, moved to Liverpool from West Ham on deadline day subject to him getting clearance from FIFA. But the deal has been dogged by red tape, with the former Corinthians star's career held in limbo

FIFA rules forbid any player turning out for three different clubs in a 12-month period from July 1.

Mascherano played in Brazil for Corinthians after the World Cup and also for West Ham earlier this season before his move to London turned sour.

That set his agents the task of skirting FIFA rules - and they found it by using South American practice as precedent.

There it is becoming commonplace for players to represent three clubs in a 12-month period.

In addition, Mascherano's camp have argued that because he was out in the cold at West Ham and clearly unable to settle in London, he should be allowed an escape.

Now the deal is in place for Mascherano to join Rafa Benitez's Liverpool on loan until the end of the season and then join them permanently in a deal which could rise to £18m depending upon appearances.

Mascherano, whose contract is 'owned' by South American firm Media Sports Investments, now hopes to complete his controversial move to Liverpool and salvage his career and reputation in the Premiership.

CLICKY - The Mirror

[bazza76]

MAS MISERY TO END IN 48 HOURS
By John Cross 12/02/2007

JAVIER MASCHERANO is set to be confirmed a Liverpool player within the next 48 hours.

The World Cup star, 22, moved to Liverpool from West Ham on deadline day subject to him getting clearance from FIFA. But the deal has been dogged by red tape, with the former Corinthians star's career held in limbo

FIFA rules forbid any player turning out for three different clubs in a 12-month period from July 1.

Mascherano played in Brazil for Corinthians after the World Cup and also for West Ham earlier this season before his move to London turned sour.

That set his agents the task of skirting FIFA rules - and they found it by using South American practice as precedent.

There it is becoming commonplace for players to represent three clubs in a 12-month period.

In addition, Mascherano's camp have argued that because he was out in the cold at West Ham and clearly unable to settle in London, he should be allowed an escape.

Now the deal is in place for Mascherano to join Rafa Benitez's Liverpool on loan until the end of the season and then join them permanently in a deal which could rise to £18m depending upon appearances.

Mascherano, whose contract is 'owned' by South American firm Media Sports Investments, now hopes to complete his controversial move to Liverpool and salvage his career and reputation in the Premiership.

CLICKY - The Mirror

Amateurs

[bazza76]

Mascherano deal under spotlight as clubs accuse Premier League of cover-up
EXCLUSIVE INVESTIGATION By MATT LAWTON - More by this author » Last updated at 23:44pm on 2nd February 2007


Three players caught in the storm: the Argentine internationals Carlos Tevez (top) and Javier Mascherano (centre) played for West Ham while Manuel Fernandes did so for Portsmouth

The Premier League were facing a revolt among their own members last night amid growing suspicion that West Ham and Portsmouth have fielded ineligible players this season.

Prompted by a private Premier League document obtained by Sportsmail, Wigan and a number of other top flight clubs are now questioning whether the appearances of Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez, for West Ham, and Manuel Fernandes, for Portsmouth, were in breach of Premier League rules.

Breaking Rule U18 can result in a points reduction because the League will not allow England’s top-flight clubs to sign players who are owned by a "third party" who would have the "ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams".

While Kia Joorabchian has a 50 per cent stake in Mascherano and Tevez, Fernandes is owned 50-50 by Benfica and a private company called the Global Sports Agency. There could be significant ramifications.

Clubs currently fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation are prepared to launch legal challenges if they believe they have been unfairly disadvantaged, while at the top end, it could damage Pompey’s European chances.

Complications have arisen now Mascherano is trying to complete a move to Liverpool and Fernandes has gone on "loan" to Everton.

When Everton first attempted to secure the services of Fernandes, they informed the Premier League of their wish to sign the player on loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal.

The Premier League refused to authorise the deal because of Everton’s desire to make it permanent, which came as a surprise to the Merseyside club when it was their understanding that the deal between Fernandes and Portsmouth was similar.

There was a clause in the contract, Sportsmail understands, that stated that Portsmouth would have to sign Fernandes on a permanent deal if he made three successive first-team appearances.

Everton told the Premier League they would simply demand the points from their game with Portsmouth — a match in which Fernandes played.

The Premier League responded by asking Everton to re-submit their forms, stating a desire to take Fernandes only on loan even though they were aware of the club’s ambition to sign Fernandes permanently.

A Premier League meeting last night failed to reach a conclusion in relation to Mascherano. Another meeting will take place today, but even then Liverpool could be left sweating on whether he will be able to move.

The delay has been caused by a failure to provide the right paperwork and there has been real drama behind the scenes to try to ensure that the deal goes through.

The Premier League insisted that they were not aware of a breach of their rules. "With what has been presented to us we haven’t allowed anything that would transgress our rules," said a spokesman.

And they said the documents presented by Portsmouth and West Ham last summer satisfied their rules. What was less clear, however, was when the Premier League received all the necessary documentation.

Sportsmail has been told that West Ham received a letter from the Premier League warning them they could risk a points deduction if they failed to provide documentation.

Aware the situation was in danger of escalating, the Premier League moved this week to privately contact the 20 top-flight chairmen.

The document, from Premier League general secretary Mike Foster, appears to offer an amnesty to clubs that may have broken the rules.

It reminds clubs of Rule U18 which states: "No Club shall enter into a contract which enables any other party to that contract to acquire the ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams."

Such contracts include those which allow the third party to control or influence the employment relationship between club and player, or give the third party the right to request or require a transfer of the player, a right to a share of the financial or economic rights.

But the Premier League then adopts a non-confrontational tone by simply "giving clubs the opportunity" within 14 days of producing details of any such contracts that were not disclosed when players were registered.

Foster’s letter ends: "Once we have your responses, the board will consider relevant disclosures and then decide on appropriate action, if any."

The letter, however, has succeeded only in fuelling the suspicion among clubs fighting alongside West Ham to avoid relegation that a breach has already occurred.

[Guest]

Bazza, that's an old article isn't it ?

[bazza76]

Bazza, that's an old article isn't it ?

yeah, well its the start of this month. would have guessed it was more relevant than the laest article in the Mirror though.

[AFII]

It reminds clubs of Rule U18 which states: "No Club shall enter into a contract which enables any other party to that contract to acquire the ability materially to influence its policies or the performance of its teams."

Such contracts include those which allow the third party to control or influence the employment relationship between club and player, or give the third party the right to request or require a transfer of the player, a right to a share of the financial or economic rights.


That's what I pointed out in my earlier post. West Ham doesn't really owns him. They only own his playing status. MSI still owns everything else. MSI is the ones who decides if he will be sold or loaned out for example and they get the transfer fee when he moves on.