Is Kuyt above criticism?

[anfieldanfield]

so why is the criticism about him always about his goal stats as if it gives conclusive evidence that he is ****?

Because he's a striker...

[nbryan1764]

Because he's a striker...

read the last couple of posts regarding beardsley stats before you start with the loony signs you ultra negative prick

you always go on about cisse and his scoring record. What was his league record last season?

[Neil Young]

Kuyt 36 games 10 goals
Bellamy 33 games 9 goals

That's ****ing ****e.

I think you missed my point.

[Shaggy]

but you have just said yourself why another striker would not be judged solely on goals

You mean Beardsley?

I'm not sure what your point is mate. Are you getting at AA's listing of our strikers' poor goal tallies?

Ultimately none of our strikers are prolific enough. Yes they offer other things such as hold-up play (Crouch, Kuyt), pace (Bellamy), link up play (Crouch) and scissor-kicks (Crouch) , but I think it's clear to everyone we need one, maybe even two goalscorers. Who they might be is anybody's guess - there seems to be a real dearth of top class strikers knocking about.

[Johnny]

read the last couple of posts regarding beardsley stats before you start with the loony signs you ultra negative prick

[anfieldanfield]

read the last couple of posts regarding beardsley stats before you start with the loony signs you ultra negative prick

Oh. Dear.

Quite the internet warrior aren't you ?

[nbryan1764]

You mean Beardsley?

I'm not sure what your point is mate. Are you getting at AA's listing of our strikers' poor goal tallies?

Ultimately none of our strikers are prolific enough. Yes they offer other things such as hold-up play (Crouch, Kuyt), pace (Bellamy), link up play (Crouch) and scissor-kicks (Crouch) , but I think it's clear to everyone we need one, maybe even two goalscorers. Who they might be is anybody's guess - there seems to be a real dearth of top class strikers knocking about.

yes I mean beardsley. You cannot a statistical method to state one strikers abilities as fact when you use exceptions for others. I actually think you have hit the nail on the head with your analysis of strengths. We have lots of "second" strikers without having a predator. However, Chelsea have won the league for the last two seasons without having a striker scoring all th goals (while the mancs had horseface and arsenal henry), and it seems somewhat ironic that this season when the mancs have got rid of the man scoring all the goals they look likely to storm the league, whereas chelsea finally have a prolific scorer and they wont be winning it.

It may be that it is the way the game has gone. I still think that the problem for us is getting people in the box. Too often we have all our players outside of the box when we are attacking. Our striker is the one that is wide looking to pick somebody out.

[nbryan1764]

Oh. Dear.

Quite the internet warrior aren't you ?

not at all. I believe you are the one starting with the funny little smilies. You just piss me off end of. Believe me I am no little kid and would never say anything on here that I would not say to somebody's face.

[anfieldanfield]

not at all. I believe you are the one starting with the funny little smilies. You just piss me off end of

Apologies for using a smilie, I actually hate them.

Swearing at someone across the internet is the most futile thing ever though.

[Kopite_Colin]

Rooney-10
Saha-8
Equally ****e
Ronaldo has carried UTD this yr.

LINK

Again - spot on. We'll see how good that fergie side is when he leaves in the summer. the only downside is that they'll probably get £30m+ for him and buy more quailty. But there isn't anybody in the world game is as effective at ball carrying and creating & scoring self-made chances as him at the moment. They will find it virtually impossible to replace him at this time if they let him go now.

[nbryan1764]

Apologies for using a smilie, I actually hate them.

Swearing at someone across the internet is the most futile thing ever though.

fair enough I accept your apology and offer one in return

[Kopite_Colin]

does anybody really see bellamy as simply being in the side for goals. I would think he was more of a second striker. Beardsley's career stats were something like 200 goals in 600 games, 1 in 3. Was he distinctly average?

No because Beardsley created so much for other players. Whilst Bellamy does have some qualities, he isn't in that league at all.

[nbryan1764]

No because Beardsley created so much for other players. Whilst Bellamy does have some qualities, he isn't in that league at all.

Missing my point. I am not comparing Beardsley with Bellamy as players. I am making the point that you cannot simply look at all strikers as goals only. They do have other abilities. I have never thought that we were buying bellamy as a goalscorer. I did think that we were buying Kuyt and Crouch for that purpose however.

[Lee]

LOL...... what was that all about! (ref: Momo kicking the ball 30ft in the air just for the hell of it)

It would've been funny if we were 3-0 up, but I just remember thinking What the hell!!

Momo's immense with his tackling and stamina, but going forward you know he's going to cost us a move or give the ball away. In my opinion I'd have Alonso, Gerrard or Mascherano in the middle instead of Sissoko. He's a handly player to bring on if we're getting slaughtered, but I'd never start a game with him. Then again I'm not the boss!

I think the jury is still out on Kuyt, he does give 110% every second, but he drifts too far wide in my opinion. For him to be our 20 goal a season striker - and he could be - he does need to get in the box more... Gonzalez, Pennant, Finnan etc should be supplying the ammo from the flanks, not Kuyt. I just don't think any of our strikers bar Kuyt have had a chance to get any rythym going this season. Perhaps it's time for Rafa to rotate the front two.

[Neil Young]

Missing my point. I am not comparing Beardsley with Bellamy as players. I am making the point that you cannot simply look at all strikers as goals only. They do have other abilities. I have never thought that we were buying bellamy as a goalscorer. I did think that we were buying Kuyt and Crouch for that purpose however.

I didn't.

Who's to say?