Kuyt "needs to be dropped"

[Shaggy]

I think calling everyone who thinks Kuyt is a bit average "pricks" and wotnot is far worse than any perceived 'criticism' of Dirk in this thread. It's JUST a different opinion FFS. I haven't seen any irrational stick being dished out - the vast majority of negative opinions offered about Kuyt have been put forward with reason.

Wouldn't it be great if all of us thought the sun shone out of the backside of every single Liverpool player! FFS.

Some people rate Sissoko. Some don't.

Some rate Pennant. Some don't.

Some rate Kuyt. Some don't.

Big ****ing deal. Argue the point, yeah, but please spare us all the patronising ****tery of dismissing everyone who doesn't particularly rate Kuyt as pricks who know nothing about football.

[Shaggy]

I think he means more the arseholes like justcruisin and ben tover who just insult the fella constantly without any real reasoning.

Especially after he had a very good game yesterday

Hadn't seen this.

[kop-al-74]

I think he means more the arseholes like justcruisin and ben tover who just insult the fella constantly without any real reasoning.

Especially after he had a very good game yesterday

Yea but it's little all gun's blazing kind of response,don't you think?

I'm not Kuyts biggest fan,and granted, he did have good game yesterday.But the thing is,we only scored one goal and he didn't contribute to us winning a big game yet again.

But,to hell with it,he may still have a big say on the way to 19.Hope so.

[paulcooper4]

Yea but it's little all gun's blazing kind of response,don't you think?

I'm not Kuyts biggest fan,and granted, he did have good game yesterday.But the thing is,we only scored one goal and he didn't contribute to us winning a big game yet again.

But,to hell with it,he may still have a big say on the way to 19.Hope so.

Now that I can debate with. Although I disagree with you in the sense that I think he contributed a hell of a lot yesterday towards a excellent team performance. Thought he was really unlucky too with that great reaction header that cech tipped over the bar (styles missed it:whatever.

Dirk can not be blamed for us not winning that game, only the referee can be blamed for that.

I think irish paul was aiming his comments at the afore mentioned arsewipes like justcruisin and ben tover who show dirk no respect whatsoever and will insult the man regardless of how he plays

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Thaere's some pretty ****ing patronising people in this thread.

We've watched Kuyt for over a season now, more than enough time to form considered opinion about Dirk's position in the squad. For what it's worth I, Shaggy and many others have been expressing doubts about that lad from pretty early on. This isn't exactly some angry, knee-jerk reaction to Style not giving us a pen.

Yes, his work rate is outstanding, impressive, phenomenal even. But that's not enough. We've got loads of 'workers' and 'grinders' in the squad, Riise, Sissoko, Carra, etc and not enough technically gifted footballers, with the spark, invention or imagination to change a game. That's been a major problem throughout the Benitez reign.

Someone earlier called his performance yesterday 'sensational'. That confuses me to the core.

Dirk has a big role to play this season and I admire him, I genuinely do, but at the same time I dont think any side has ever won the Premiership with a first choice striker posing so little of a goal threat as Dirk Kuyt. Have they ?

I'd be stunned if Dirk scores 15 goals this season, which puts immense pressure on Torres to score 25+ this season. A massive ask. I would much prefer Crouch and Torres to score 20 each.

For me it's Torres+1 this season and that +1 is a wide open three horse race.

Completely agree.

Now I know Lec wasn't directly comparing Kuyt to Kenny as a player, but using Kenny as an example of how great players, strikers even don't need to score every 2nd game to be effective or great as Kenny was.

But, when you watched Kenny play he had the intelligence and skill to hurt the opposition either by creating or scoring. When he got the ball you expected, you were excited, the opposition were scared. To put it blunty Kuyt just doesn't have that ability, or anything close to it, not at this level.

Now perhaps I'm raising bar pretty high here, but ****in hell this LFC we're talking about, average, or above average even just isn't good enough.

And I've read even more cliches in this thread, one being that we need the right mix of grafters and skill players. Absolute bollocks. All 11 players out there should be able to do both. Look at the great side of the mid eighties. There were no hackers or plodders and no outright luxury players. Everybody chipped in on both areas of the game. It's why we won everything.

So what if Kuyt works hard? So did Ian Rush, our all time record goalscorer. To me that's an excuse, a kop out, all our players work hard, otherwise they wouldn't be in the team.

He's a striker, he's there to hurt the opposition, not mark the defensive midfielder of the other team.

He's not good enough. My eyes are open.

[paulcooper4]

Hadn't seen this.

[Revo]

I think calling everyone who thinks Kuyt is a bit average "pricks" and wotnot is far worse than any perceived 'criticism' of Dirk in this thread. It's JUST a different opinion FFS. I haven't seen any irrational stick being dished out - the vast majority of negative opinions offered about Kuyt have been put forward with reason.

Wouldn't it be great if all of us thought the sun shone out of the backside of every single Liverpool player! FFS.

Some people rate Sissoko. Some don't.

Some rate Pennant. Some don't.

Some rate Kuyt. Some don't.

Big ****ing deal. Argue the point, yeah, but please spare us all the patronising ****tery of dismissing everyone who doesn't particularly rate Kuyt as pricks who know nothing about football.

i take it thats aimed at me?

[redblood]

Bollocks.

There is substantial evidence to back people up when they point out Kuyt's weaknesses. I admire Dirk's workrate and attitude, I really do, but the fact is he remains a fairly ordinary footballer with an average goal/game ratio in all comps for Liverpool.

He has an awful lot to prove this season and In my opinion Crouch should be given the chance to play up top with Torres next weekend.

He scored more than Crouch did in his first season, he is developing a good partnership with Torres and he adds a lot to the team.

[Shaggy]

i take it thats aimed at me?

No mate, everyone who's said similar - and there's been plenty.

[paulcooper4]

Did Kuyt have a shot? Oh yeah he did and it was a howler. The guy is soo slow and frustrating when he has the ball to his feet.

none on target..thats really embarassing stats for a striker.

£9/10 million. Rip off!

What's there to remember him about?

14 goals? Thats something to remember him about?! Ronaldo from the wing for the scum scored more. Heck even Cisse scored more

agreed drogba was **** today...so does that make kuyts performance acceptable. i dont see the connection at all

played out of position???? more like getting himself outta position.

He needs to get in the box more. At times today, Torres was in the box by himself, what is he doing? Curling his hair?, having a fag?

not really an intelligent player he is.he is someone like cisse the only difference is cisse never did understand the meaning of remaining on side....whereas kuyts is always miles away from the opposition back line which makes him as useless as cisse

as long as he puts on a liverpool shirt ....

10 outta 10....????boy that was a good laugh

A couple of the ****e posts that annoy me.

ESPECIALLY after he has been outstanding in both his games for us this season.

Cant really understand comments like these.


I can however argue dirks case with people who make some valid claims as to why they dont rate kuyt, even though I do find the timing a bit strange

[Darth Marty]

Im just ****ing glad that its Rafa in charge and not one of us!
Also I couldnt give two ****s if an individual plays poorly as long as the team is successful..in an ideal world we would have a team of superstars (see Real for an example of why this doesnt work) that thumped teams 4-0 week in week out.
Not gonna happen, Ill settle, happily, for a team like ours who has style, spirit and hopefully a league title to show for it.

For what its worth I thought kuyt was great 1st half and merely ok in the 2nd. Well deserving of a starting place though.

[redblood]

That's probably more than any other striker we have.
He also starts every big game for us, and fails to do it in the majority of them.

Yeah, I know, he works hard though...

So he didn't score against Chelski in the league and he didn't score in the CL final hmmmm not big games, he also didn't have a perfectly good goal disallowed in the CL semi.
He's not going to be prolific but if most ye listened to Rafa because he's said a few times if all four of his strikers get 10-15 goals and with more coming form MF etc he'll be happy and if this happens and we win the league we'll all be ****ing happy.
KUYT IS THE NEW FINNAN.

[Red_Al_77]

It's hard to take people seriously in their criticisms of Kuyt when they clearly have an agenda. I can understand those that post on other topics but those that just wait for the Kuyt thread to appear and then post really should be chopped. What do they bring to this site. Differing opinions is fine, but it's as clear as day those that don't even take into account how the man plays before laying into him.

[Shaggy]

A couple of the ****e posts that annoy me.

ESPECIALLY after he has been outstanding in both his games for us this season.

Cant really understand comments like these.


I can however argue dirks case with people who make some valid claims as to why they dont rate kuyt, even though I do find the timing a bit strange

Fair enough. Those posts are there to be shot at - justcruisin in particular seems to have some kind of weird vendetta against him and actually appears to dislike him, something that I can't understand. I don't rate him too highly, but I don't dislike him. On the contrary, I like him. As I've said countless times before, how can anyone dislike someone who wears the shirt with such passion and commitment?

But still, dismissing any opinion that doesn't particularly favour Dirk is just superfan bollocks, IMO.

[kop-al-74]

Completely agree.

Now I know Lec wasn't directly comparing Kuyt to Kenny as a player, but using Kenny as an example of how great players, strikers even don't need to score every 2nd game to be effective or great as Kenny was.

But, when you watched Kenny play he had the intelligence and skill to hurt the opposition either by creating or scoring. When he got the ball you expected, you were excited, the opposition were scared. To put it blunty Kuyt just doesn't have that ability, or anything close to it, not at this level.

Now perhaps I'm raising bar pretty high here, but ****in hell this LFC we're talking about, average, or above average even just isn't good enough.

And I've read even more cliches in this thread, one being that we need the right mix of grafters and skill players. Absolute bollocks. All 11 players out there should be able to do both. Look at the great side of the mid eighties. There were no hackers or plodders and no outright luxury players. Everybody chipped in on both areas of the game. It's why we won everything.

So what if Kuyt works hard? So did Ian Rush, our all time record goalscorer. To me that's an excuse, a kop out, all our players work hard, otherwise they wouldn't be in the team.

He's a striker, he's there to hurt the opposition, not mark the defensive midfielder of the other team.

He's not good enough. My eyes are open.

Very well sumarised,totally with you on that.

But he's not going anywhere fast.We have to support him.I have to support him.