Kuyt....

[flyboy]

Laughable.

Here comes "he works so hard for us arguement" again. Rubbish.

If I got the chance to play for LFC I'd run around till I collapsed. Desn't make me a player though does it?

No amount of hard work makes up for his woeful finishing, lack of pace, heading ability and having the first touch of rapist.

Supplies goals does he? I must've missed them. Last night he had two chances to lay on goals for others and he made a complete cu nt of it.

I suppose it depends on your opinion on what the minimum requirement for LFC is these days. It used to be hard work and being able to play football. So what is it nowadays then, just being a hard worker? Is that good enough?

Tell you what lets buy Robbie Savage and bring back Emile Heskey. Lets get Joe Royle in as a manager. Lets grind the *******s down with our dogs of war type effort. It'll be good enough.

Is that what you want? Is that what you deem good enough?

Had enough of grafters and plodders, get some ****ing class in. And yes class players who work hard.

couldnt agree more...well said

[kop-al-74]

i'm not trying to say kyut is better, or that he'll became as good......just saying give him a chance!

he could be our bergkamp!

Mate the only thing they have in common is their nationality.Are you really trying to campare Kuyt with one of the most gifted footballers in the world.I'm sorry but that is just stupid.

[flyboy]

rafas defending kuyt with the same workload horse****. i'm convinced kuyts got some dirt on the boss

[the rev leeroy brown]

Mate the only thing they have in common is their nationality.Are you really trying to campare Kuyt with one of the most gifted footballers in the world.I'm sorry but that is just stupid.

no, i never tried to compare kyut with bergkamp as a player...just the roles they each played for their teams.

people bash kyut primarily because he doesn't score every game. all i'm saying is neither did bergkamp. they both drop off the front to go deep and start the attacks. both go wide and try crosses. both try the fancy filcks and tricks. only difference is bergkamp was and probably is better at it than kyut.

my initial statement was just trying to show that bergkamp was terrible when he first arrived at arsenal, so bad that the fans booed him all the time and wanted him gone but looked how he turned out as he grew into the english style of play.

i'm only using bergkamp as an example of how kyut MIGHT end up for us if people give him a chance. he was our top goal scoring striker last year was he not? let him adjust to rafa's new team and see how his season went in may!!

[kop-al-74]

no, i never tried to compare kyut with bergkamp as a player...just the roles they each played for their teams.

people bash kyut primarily because he doesn't score every game. all i'm saying is neither did bergkamp. they both drop off the front to go deep and start the attacks. both go wide and try crosses. both try the fancy filcks and tricks. only difference is bergkamp was and probably is better at it than kyut.

my initial statement was just trying to show that bergkamp was terrible when he first arrived at arsenal, so bad that the fans booed him all the time and wanted him gone but looked how he turned out as he grew into the english style of play.

i'm only using bergkamp as an example of how kyut MIGHT end up for us if people give him a chance. he was our top goal scoring striker last year was he not? let him adjust to rafa's new team and see how his season went in may!!

I personally have seen enough of the guy to come to the conclusion that he simply will never be good enough for liverpool.Not enough to his game.He struggles with the easiest decisions on the pitch and is challenged very much in the finishing department.

[the rev leeroy brown]

I personally have seen enough of the guy to come to the conclusion that he simply will never be good enough for liverpool.Not enough to his game.He struggles with the easiest decisions on the pitch and is challenged very much in the finishing department.

well, you obviously dont rate kyut as a player (understatement of the year) so who should play with torres until we can get to january and hopefully buy a new striker??

it cant be voronin because he's just the poor mans kyut. and no way should it be crouch because, lets be honest, the man isn't even good enought to play for derby nevermind liverpool.

i would stick with kyut personally. or maybe give babel a chance to show that him and torres is the partnership for us!

[kop-al-74]

well, you obviously dont rate kyut as a player (understatement of the year) so who should play with torres until we can get to january and hopefully buy a new striker??

it cant be voronin because he's just the poor mans kyut. and no way should it be crouch because, lets be honest, the man isn't even good enought to play for derby nevermind liverpool.

i would stick with kyut personally. or maybe give babel a chance to show that him and torres is the partnership for us!

Crouch.

[the rev leeroy brown]

Crouch.

CROUCH?!?!?!?

i'd rather heskey back than crouch. the man (for 6 foot 4) puts headers over from 2 yards out. fair play he can hold the ball up quite well but thats about it. he was a good stop gap untill we got the americans money but i think it time for him to go. he doesn't link up well with torres.

torres is too quick for him (mentally and physically) crouch not good enough for lfc!!

i had a thought though....bennayoun as a second striker? he played really well whenever on the pitch with torres. they link up good and i bet he would score a few as well!!

[JPK]

Kuyt had his worst game for us yesterday and looked slow and lost possesion for fun.In his defence Babel and Yossi did not get past the fullback once and offered very little support.Carra and Hyppia lumped long balls up to him against a 6"5 Samba who was never going to lose them.

He seems to be Rafa's pet and I cant see Rafa selling him.
I would like to see Rafa overhaul the squad.
Carson
Riise
Hyppia
Momo
Pennant
Kewell
Voronin
Crouch
Kuyt
all out and top class players in.

We are Liverpool and can only put up with watching such mediocre players for so long.

[Parm]

That's the problem, Kuyt is this years scapegoat no matter how he plays.

[kop-al-74]

CROUCH?!?!?!?

i'd rather heskey back than crouch. the man (for 6 foot 4) puts headers over from 2 yards out. fair play he can hold the ball up quite well but thats about it. he was a good stop gap untill we got the americans money but i think it time for him to go. he doesn't link up well with torres.

torres is too quick for him (mentally and physically) crouch not good enough for lfc!!

i had a thought though....bennayoun as a second striker? he played really well whenever on the pitch with torres. they link up good and i bet he would score a few as well!!

A man who scored a hatrick against arsenal,has one of the most impressive international goals to games ratio and proberbly one of the most skillful players on our books.Laugh all you want but the reality is as soon as Crouch has come on in any of the games this season we have looked better and had more chances as he brings others in with quality.It's not all about Torres as you seem to think it is.Where was Torres yesterday?No good to us in the medical room!

Btw,i think Torres is a special footballer who i am very proud to see wearing the red of liverpool,but i'm only making a point.

[kopdan]

yep, Crouch has done little wrong coming off the bench. He's being frozen out simple as.

Wish he played more although when he does, all we do is pump the ball up the pitch to him despite him being better on the deck.

[red g]

That's the problem, Kuyt is this years scapegoat no matter how he plays.

but there is a reason that cisse, traore, kuyt, phill babb, jimmy ****in carter, kozma, (insert any french plyer), are scapegoats.

they are all **** and should not be playing for a title challenging team

[Gazzla]

I posted this in another thread but stats can be manipulated to make any player look as good or as bad as you like. Here are Bergkamps stats for the last 7 years he was at Arsenal ;

Season Club Games Goals Strike rate
2005-06 Arsenal 24 2 0.08
2004-05 Arsenal 29 8 0.28
2003-04 Arsenal 28 4 0.14
2002-03 Arsenal 29 4 0.14
2001-02 Arsenal 33 9 0.27
2000-01 Arsenal 25 3 0.12
1999-00 Arsenal 28 6 0.21

Does this mean that he was **** as he was a forward who didn't score a lot of goals? No of course it doesn't because he was an amazing footballer who brought an awful lot more to the team than simply scoring goals.

Kuyt isn't in great form at the moment but very few of our players are but that doesn't mean he isn't a good player. He has scored 5 goals in 14 appearances for us this season and works very well with Torres who was brought in as our number 1 striker and goal threat.

I know I'm fighting a losing battle on here because people have already made there mind up but give the lad a break and judge him at the end of the season.

[dww]

I posted this in another thread but stats can be manipulated to make any player look as good or as bad as you like. Here are Bergkamps stats for the last 7 years he was at Arsenal ;

Season Club Games Goals Strike rate
2005-06 Arsenal 24 2 0.08
2004-05 Arsenal 29 8 0.28
2003-04 Arsenal 28 4 0.14
2002-03 Arsenal 29 4 0.14
2001-02 Arsenal 33 9 0.27
2000-01 Arsenal 25 3 0.12
1999-00 Arsenal 28 6 0.21

Does this mean that he was **** as he was a forward who didn't score a lot of goals? No of course it doesn't because he was an amazing footballer who brought an awful lot more to the team than simply scoring goals.

Kuyt isn't in great form at the moment but very few of our players are but that doesn't mean he isn't a good player. He has scored 5 goals in 14 appearances for us this season and works very well with Torres who was brought in as our number 1 striker and goal threat.

I know I'm fighting a losing battle on here because people have already made there mind up but give the lad a break and judge him at the end of the season.

I sort of agree with you, and I am a Kuyt supporter (although I think he is horribly out of form), but you can play a striker with a poor goals to game ratio if you have 3 other goal threats in the team and he creates things.

Bergkamp during the Wenger years had Anelka/ Henry as a partner and Pires and Ljungberg or Overmars in midfield. At the minute we only have Gerrard in the team who consistently threatens the opposition goal. Therefore we can't afford to accommodate Kuyt unless he starts chipping in with goals.