PSV 1-3 Liverpool- Post Match

[Sarb]

Confidence? I think they were the actions of a player who was frustrated with the terrible support he got all night.

I think he suffers from over confidence not a lack of confidence personally. I think he thinks he's better than he actually is and it's a trait he's always had

[rudedog]

I think he suffers from over confidence not a lack of confidence personally. I think he thinks he's better than he actually is and it's a trait he's always had

what makes you say that? the tea leaves?

[Sarb]

what makes you say that? the tea leaves?

No his actions on the pitch, yesterday for example

And his tendency to for smart finishes from three yards out when he's in the middle of a goal scoring rut

[Neil Young]

[/B]

rafa fails to win the league this year he's sacked. both my opinion on what will happen if he fails and what should happen after 5 seasons here.

i really do't mean to be negative or provocative but imo rafa knows the stakes are now higher than ever

I don't agree Rafa should be sacked because I think we're making progress. In fact I genuinely think there is a real risk it would be a disaster. There aren't many managers about who are of Rafa's calibre and we could so easily end up with one who isn't. For instance, look at the way we seem to be able to improve in the second half of matches these days - that's one sign of an excellent manager I think.

However that's not really what I was saying at all. What I meant is I won't regard it as a disaster for me.

It's football and I like it and I want Liverpool FC to win everything all the time but it really isn't important in the grand scheme of things. And, I hesitate to say this, there is always next year.

[PTP]

[/B]

rafa fails to win the league this year he's sacked. both my opinion on what will happen if he fails and what should happen after 5 seasons here.

i really do't mean to be negative or provocative but imo rafa knows the stakes are now higher than ever

do you not think that statement is far too blunt and straight up tho! Imo, thats a bit too much of an ott stance to take - say for example, we finish 2nd, but have played much better, been signs of improvement and every one at the club fought and gave it their all but we challenegd all the way to the death, to just miss out and ultimatley despite not winning the league we were all proud of the efforts and challenge mounted and it was our best league campaign in 15 years or so and in the end it was just down to a bit off bad luck or that we did everything we possible could but the winners were slightly better -- you saying he should be sacked! bit harsh imo

granted, if we stumbled into 4th again, 20+ pts of the pace and another season were with 10 league games to go there was nothing to play for - then yeah raffas position should be looked - but if liverpool fight to the death and are still with a chance with say like 3 or 4 games left then sacking rafa if he just missed out on the league would be a backward step imo

[Neil Young]

At your age you have to think about the effects on your heart

Well, exactly.

Now **** off, Goebbels.

[Reece]

do you not think that statement is far too blunt and straight up tho! Imo, thats a bit too much of an ott stance to take - say for example, we finish 2nd, but have played much better, been signs of improvement and every one at the club fought and gave it their all but we challenegd all the way to the death, to just miss out and ultimatley despite not winning the league we were all proud of the efforts and challenge mounted and it was our best league campaign in 15 years or so -- you saying he should be sacked!

That's not to mention winning the Champions League and FA Cup, beating the Mancs in both finals.

But yeah we finished second in the league so sack Rafa

[Neil Young]

So a little then, sometimes. ( but your lucky, you have a 'worry switch'. )

During games, sure. It's an emotional time.

[rudedog]

No his actions on the pitch, yesterday for example

And his tendency to for smart finishes from three yards out when he's in the middle of a goal scoring rut

Like I've already posted a couple of times, its far more plausible that his actions yesterday were born out of frustration rather than over confidence as you are suggesting. He got nothing all night, thats bound to be frustrating when you are under pressure to score.

[rage]

comedy gold

why is it comedy gold. thats exactly how i see it and if you you look back to the beginning of the season thats how many posters saw it.

infact i even think rafa knows this hence why he's anglig for an extension whilst we're doing well. that way if we fail he's in a stronger position.

anyway i'd replied to niel as he doesn't have the blind love condition that others suffer from which is why i didn't want to come across as being negative or provocative. i just think this is the way it is. win the title or get sacked.

[Reece]

Well, exactly.

Now **** off, Goebbels.

Hey I had your health at heart

[DannyMan2006]

very unliverpool like behaviour, it disgusted me and comparable to the booing don't you think?

seriously though he hasn't earned the right to do this - plenty of other players would have every right to do it to keane for all the sitters he's missed

Think he was just annoyed at not being played through. About three times he could have had a clear run on goal if his team mate had picked a simpe pass as opposed to having a wild attempt on goal. He wanted to impress and basically was not getting the chance. I did notice that towards the end Babel started to listen, but this time he was trying to play in Keane when the pass was not on!

What Keane has to accept is that the other players also had points to prove and they to wanted to impress, on occasions they were trying to much individually, but when they did play as a team, and when Keane trusted the team to give him the ball higher up the pitch they all improved.

Did anyone else put the improved second half display down to Keane staying higher up the pitch? He ill dropped deep, but he did so into the right areas so that he was in space, just between the midfield and defence. In the fisrt half he dropped into the midfield and got bogged down.

[rage]

do you not think that statement is far too blunt and straight up tho! Imo, thats a bit too much of an ott stance to take - say for example, we finish 2nd, but have played much better, been signs of improvement and every one at the club fought and gave it their all but we challenegd all the way to the death, to just miss out and ultimatley despite not winning the league we were all proud of the efforts and challenge mounted and it was our best league campaign in 15 years or so -- you saying he should be sacked!

when would you draw the line? another season?

seriously, we're in the best position we've ever been under rafa but i will judge him at the end of the season. if we just miss out then of course there's an argument for keeping him but there is just as strong an argument that says you've had 5 years and hundreds of millions etc.

the champions league may add some weight but the fa cup will mean nothing. we have aspirations far greater than a domestic cup team.

[Sarb]

He's living off the European Cup win in 2005. That's it. I wonder if we'd be saying the same if he hadn't won No. 5?

[rage]

Think he was just annoyed at not being played through. About three times he could have had a clear run on goal if his team mate had picked a simpe pass as opposed to having a wild attempt on goal. He wanted to impress and basically was not getting the chance. I did notice that towards the end Babel started to listen, but this time he was trying to play in Keane when the pass was not on!

What Keane has to accept is that the other players also had points to prove and they to wanted to impress, on occasions they were trying to much individually, but when they did play as a team, and when Keane trusted the team to give him the ball higher up the pitch they all improved.

Did anyone else put the improved second half display down to Keane staying higher up the pitch? He ill dropped deep, but he did so into the right areas so that he was in space, just between the midfield and defence. In the fisrt half he dropped into the midfield and got bogged down.

he isn't fast enough to come too deep and be able to make something from it. he does his best work as a second striker