Benítez says he needs fresh investment to compete for title

[SRR]

Craig hijack another thread to peddle the same old tired arguments. What a ****ing farce.

In fairness to Craig I did start this whole arguement but your point is also correct.

[Lecter]

TBH i would now like to hear something from a poster who knows about things like what's happeneing with Barclays, are we being 'officially' put up for sale etc, the bloke from the Telegraph just said it's only the start of a very long road for us, because the owners will NOT budge on price and the club is making them too much cash for them to consider selling for less than they want.

I'm not quite sure that is accurate

The club made a loss in last published accounts and whilst it remains to be seen how the next set of accounts look I would guess by how the club has operated over the last 18 months that money is VERY VERY tight and they are not drawing down / out too much (if anything) from the club

[Scratch]

But Wenger's DONE IT and PROVED he can do it - nobody can say he isnt capable of winning/challenging for the title on numerous occasions, rather than just on a one-off basis.

Wenger did it before Rafa was on the scene, before Chelsea arrived with the mega bucks, before Rafa made Liverpool a force...when Wenger was winning titles there was only one team to beat, United, and the other PL teams, Liverpool included were pretty much also rans. Since Rafa has been here, Wenger has had a worse record than Benitez, and with a team that is all his own, whereas Benitez had to start from scratch, completely dismantling and rebuilding a team, having to sell to buy, having to "wheel and deal" and yet he has still had more success than Wenger, yet when you compare the two you rate Wenger higher cos his teams play attractive, attacking football.

But of course, you're not anti-Rafa, you're pro Liverpool.

[Craig_H]

Again nice sidestep away from the real question

How long would you give Wenger without winning the title??

The past is the past as many Liverpool fans are found of telling me

Seriously whatever accusations you are levelling at Rafa you could level at Wenger (except the defensive football)

Neither have challenged consistantly in the last 5 or 6 years

Again sidestepping my answer - i'm not demanding a title win, i expect top four finishes comfortably, along with a couple or three title challenges, whilst doing all we can to win games.

My biggest gripe is that things which have proven to have failed for us, are maintained despite having yet to succeed.

[Dirk07]

That has no relevance. A Liverpool manager's remit is to challenge for the title. Just because others have failed, it doesnt mean our standards should go into the gutter.

Are we supposed to accept and embrace failure because it's what we've become accustomed to?

At what point would it have some relevance out of interest?

[Vermilion]

I'm not quite sure that is accurate

The club made a loss in last published accounts and whilst it remains to be seen how the next set of accounts look I would guess by how the club has operated over the last 18 months that money is VERY VERY tight and they are not drawing down / out too much (if anything) from the club

I thought that, and proabably, maybe, did'nt word it correct..it was more along the lines of 'in time'..they know the club will make them good money...so nothing really to lose by staying if their price isn't met.

[SRR]

Yeah PC Plod, cos it's just me who's having this debate :whatever:




If we'd played with the mentality of proactively trying to win games, instead of trying to pinch them by an odd goal, and always remained in the top 4, then yes.



Agreed that it's different, but wenger's challenged for it again this season, and may yet win it. You might say that during rafa's time he's only challenged for it once (this year) and that may be the case, but his side has never slipped out of the top 4.

Let's just accept that we disagree and leave it there mate, before Plod and his army come in with their pitchforks, selectively picking out those against whom they have an agenda.

Fair enough, although not trying to start another debate I don't agree with the bit in bold I would rather win trophies and go to finals than that always finish 4th as a minimum.

[BobTheCharmer]

The premier league then and now is completly different, it changed for the worse in 2004 when Roman purchased Chelsea and started splashing the cash like it was going out of fashion.

Wrong - I would argue that Roman has been good otherwise Utd would be sitting here with 20 odd titles to their name.

[Vermilion]

Anyway, small mercies, untill we get ourselves sorted as a club...thank **** Citeh and Chelsea came along...other wise those lot would have surpassed us long ago.

As i say.....small mercies.

edit. ****! BTC just said the same thing above..

[SRR]

Wrong - I would argue that Roman has been good otherwise Utd would be sitting here with 20 odd titles to their name.

Fair point.

[Craig_H]

I think we can all agree on that one.

[DKdan]

FFS What a pile of bollocks! Right from "every Liverpool manager must compete for the title!"

We have no god given right to challenge for the title... all teams spend heavily in order to compete, and when our wank owners refuse to even let our manager spend what he earns in the market how can he be expected to compete???

He should have been given the funds to buy a striker - he wasn't! THAT among other tings are what prevents us from challenging...

Rafa has showed in other seasons that he has what it takes. But we went into this season with an unbalanced squad because of our failings in the market. IMO no top manager has a better transfer record than Rafa, and no manager would have done better with our thin squad IMO...

[destinydude]

FFS What a pile of bollocks! Right from "every Liverpool manager must compete for the title!"

We have no god given right to challenge for the title... all teams spend heavily in order to compete, and when our wank owners refuse to even let our manager spend what he earns in the market how can he be expected to compete???

He should have been given the funds to buy a striker - he wasn't! THAT among other tings are what prevents us from challenging...

Rafa has showed in other seasons that he has what it takes. But we went into this season with an unbalanced squad because of our failings in the market. IMO no top manager has a better transfer record than Rafa, and no manager would have done better with our thin squad IMO...

Apart from last season when exactly did he realistically fight for the title?

[Roboklopp]

Craig, you're completely missing my point. Your point is Rafa couldve done better. That's a point everyone except Fredo agrees with- ffs even Rafa himself.

The issue I have with you is not that I disagree with your argument, it's that you reduce every ****ing thread to the same ****ing argument. It's boring. ****ing boring.

[destinydude]

Craig, you're completely missing my point. Your point is Rafa couldve done better. That's a point everyone except Fredo agrees with- ffs even Rafa himself.

The issue I have with you is not that I disagree with your argument, it's that you reduce every ****ing thread to the same ****ing argument. It's boring. ****ing boring.

Just like Rafa's team selections, tactics this season and his guarantees. Thanks but no Rafa wanks