Benítez says he needs fresh investment to compete for title

[SRR]

Wenger's won numerous PL league titles and challenges for it more often than not. Rafa hasnt, doesnt and never will.

Let's just agree to disagree. And that goes for everyone else too, if i keep going on, i'll get slated for repeating myself, even though those discussing with me are doing the very same thing with their own arguments

Maybe I dreamt last season, I'm sure we came within a whisker of winning the title.

[Craig_H]

You still havent answered my question

How long would you give Wenger?

Its all well and good saying he did this 6 years ago but he hasnt done it for the last 5 or 6

You are proposing to can a manager who has won more trophies than Wenger in the last 5-6 years and probably been closer to the title than Wenger in that time also

I like Wenger his teams are a joy to watch hes second to none at bringing kids through but hes achieved nothing recently I know Arsenal fans who have been very disgruntled with him (as Reece says) for not being willing to change his ideals and ethos' against teams

Wenger would probably get our current squad challenging for the title next season, IMO. Certainly comfortably in the top 4, at the very least.

And one look at the table suggests that Rafa's not been closer to the title than Wenger in that period. And, for the very last time, ONE SEASON out of SIX is the exception, not the rule.

That's it for me mate, i wont think rafa's mentality is brilliant and you wont agree that it's not good enough. I wont change your mind, you wont change mind, so let's just pour a drink and leave it there

[Vermilion]

Maybe I dreamt last season, I'm sure we came within a whisker of winning the title.

[Lecter]

so we'll just ignore the seasons where wenger's arsenal won titles, doubles and consistently challenged for the pl.

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[Lecter]

Wenger would probably get our current squad challenging for the title next season, IMO. Certainly comfortably in the top 4, at the very least.

And one look at the table suggests that Rafa's not been closer to the title than Wenger in that period. And, for the very last time, ONE SEASON out of SIX is the exception, not the rule.

That's it for me mate, i wont think rafa's mentality is brilliant and you wont agree that it's not good enough. I wont change your mind, you wont change mind, so let's just pour a drink and leave it there

What a load of ****ing bollocks

And you are right ONE SEASON out of six is the exception, not the rule and Wenger should be given no more leeway than Benitez has been

Honestly I've never read such ****ing dog**** in my entire life

[Chrono]

Lecter, who has a better team, squad and starting XI in terms of quality of players, Arsenal or Liverpool?

[Craig_H]

Behave yourself

I've never read such ****ing rubbish in my entire life

Honestly you dont half talk some ****e

Insightful stuff mate, you've really shown me why i might be mistaken in my views.

You're right, rafa gets the absolute maximum out of our squad, 6th or 7th is about where we should be, because Reina, Mascher, Gerrard & Torres arent world class players, we dont have good players and really, with our squad we should be expecting to fight relegation. A top half finish would be an amazing achievement for us.

And you're right, only the top sides in the world can expect to beat the likes of Portsmouth, Wolves, Wigan etc

[Craig_H]

Maybe I dreamt last season, I'm sure we came within a whisker of winning the title.

Did you see the 'more often than not' part of my post?

[Craig_H]

You have still purposely sidestepped the argument

You stated Rafa has only challenged once in 6 years

Wenger has only done that also (winning less trophies than Rafa in the process)

How much grace do you give Wenger??

But Wenger's DONE IT and PROVED he can do it - nobody can say he isnt capable of winning/challenging for the title on numerous occasions, rather than just on a one-off basis.

[SRR]

Did you see the 'more often than not' part of my post?

I did, but you appear to be basing your arguement on acheivments before Rafa took charge of us which is fine. However since 2004/2005 how many times have Arsenal challenged for the title? In that time what success have they had?

Hypothetical question if Wenger had taken charge of us in 2004/2005 and got us playing the same style of football as Arsenal but on the other hand not took us to two CL finals and not won the FA Cup would you be happy?

[Roboklopp]

Craig hijack another thread to peddle the same old tired arguments. What a ****ing farce.

[SRR]

But Wenger's DONE IT and PROVED he can do it - nobody can say he isnt capable of winning/challenging for the title on numerous occasions, rather than just on a one-off basis.

The premier league then and now is completly different, it changed for the worse in 2004 when Roman purchased Chelsea and started splashing the cash like it was going out of fashion.

[Craig_H]

Yeah PC Plod, cos it's just me who's having this debate :whatever:

I did, but you appear to be basing your arguement on acheivments before Rafa took charge of us which is fine. However since 2004/2005 how many times have Arsenal challenged for the title? In that time what success have they had?

Hypothetical question if Wenger had taken charge of us in 2004/2005 and got us playing the same style of football as Arsenal but on the other hand not took us to two CL finals and not won the FA Cup would you be happy?

If we'd played with the mentality of proactively trying to win games, instead of trying to pinch them by an odd goal, and always remained in the top 4, then yes.

The premier league then and now is completly different, it changed for the worse in 2004 when Roman purchased Chelsea and started splashing the cash like it was going out of fashion.

Agreed that it's different, but wenger's challenged for it again this season, and may yet win it. You might say that during rafa's time he's only challenged for it once (this year) and that may be the case, but his side has never slipped out of the top 4.

Let's just accept that we disagree and leave it there mate, before Plod and his army come in with their pitchforks, selectively picking out those against whom they have an agenda.

[Vermilion]

TBH i would now like to hear something from a poster who knows about things like what's happeneing with Barclays, are we being 'officially' put up for sale etc, the bloke from the Telegraph just said it's only the start of a very long road for us, because the owners will NOT budge on price and the club is making them too much cash for them to consider selling for less than they want...the debt WILL over time be paid and everyone knows this....so they'll sit tight.

[Lecter]

But Wenger's DONE IT and PROVED he can do it - nobody can say he isnt capable of winning/challenging for the title on numerous occasions, rather than just on a one-off basis.

Again nice sidestep away from the real question

How long would you give Wenger without winning the title??

The past is the past as many Liverpool fans are found of telling me

Seriously whatever accusations you are levelling at Rafa you could level at Wenger (except the defensive football)

Neither have challenged consistantly in the last 5 or 6 years