Don't buy official merchandise or any tickets!

[fred_plasticine]

If H&G arent stopped, we wont even have a team.

that's melodramatic in my book.
g&h want to sell the club in order to make a profit on their initial investment (yeah i know). going into administration won't generate any profit as far as they're concerned.

[fred_plasticine]

"Revelling in the negativity"? What a frankly ridiculous assertion.

it's an impression you do get when reading some of the postings.
it's the same with bad spells and results. a bleak outlook seems to get some people going whereas they don't have much to say during the good times.
you don't need to agree but i'd appreciate it if didn't patronise me.

[Roboklopp]

that's melodramatic in my book.
g&h want to sell the club in order to make a profit on their initial investment (yeah i know). going into administration won't generate any profit as far as they're concerned.

Possibly- that is certainly the view I took initially. However, as you point out, their initial investiture was neglible/ non-existent, therefore they have the option to asset strip somewhat to shape the manner in which they draw financial value from the club as they see fit.

[Roboklopp]

it's an impression you do get when reading some of the postings.
it's the same with bad spells and results. a bleak outlook seems to get some people going whereas they don't have much to say during the good times.
you don't need to agree but i'd appreciate it if didn't patronise me.

Maybe people just feel less introspective and less needing to mince around on talkboards when they're happy?

The reason I was patronising is because I found your original assertion pretty dismissive. I certainly don't feel the need to make this personal though...

[fred_plasticine]

Possibly- that is certainly the view I took initially. However, as you point out, their initial investiture was neglible/ non-existent, therefore they have the option to asset strip somewhat to shape the manner in which they draw financial value from the club as they see fit.

it's a possibility. but i for one don't think it's likely.
i believe that the club will be sold by the end of the year. and i believe they'll both walk away with a nice profit.

i simply don't buy into the idea that they'd rather bancrupt the club before lowering their asking price. it's just not a feasible option in my eyes.

they're just a another bunch of financers who view sports as a way to make money. i don't believe they've got an evil agenda to destroy lfc. thing's might have looked much brighter if it wasn't for the financial crisis - we'll never know.

what i'm saying is, while things are far from rosy and we're in for another tough season, i do not believe we're on the brink of being destroyed. there's absolutely no need to hurt the club we support just because we'd rather destroy ourselves before letting someone else do it.

[Shanks]

I'm going to boycott the first qualifying match of the Euro Disney League against Young Boys Berne at the Wankdorf Stadium. That should get Hicks and Gillett absolutely ****ting themselves at the thought of having to sign on at the Denver and Dallas dole offices...

A mate of mine is off to Spain at the end of this month and will be having lunch with Xabi and Alvaro so it will be interesting to hear their side of the story.

I've had a season ticket at Anfield longer than many of you have been alive

Jude Cissé went to school in Anglesey with Los Rojos (Andy) and Graybach (Graham) off ST

Oh Really....

Kinell, no wonder you left HERE to go THERE.

[Roboklopp]

Fred, I've copied my own post from elsewhere cos it is relevant.

If the owners believe the global 'brand' -huge Premiership with loyal global fanbase etc- outweighs the sum of it's parts. I think it could be argued to be the case.

Noone's suggesting the initial plan was to asset strip, more that they're looking for a good way to squeeze value from the club before they exit at a lower value or continue on with their leveraged plan with a much improved debt/equity ratio and run the club with a much lower on the field ambition level.

[Roboklopp]

Oh Really....

Kinell, no wonder you left HERE to go THERE.

He really is a very impressive character looking at those quotes isn't he? So much so, I can feel the stirrings of a chubby.

[Liverpool]

He really is a very impressive character looking at those quotes isn't he? So much so, I can feel the stirrings of a chubby.

[Roboklopp]

[topscorer]

I think it's unreasonable to expect life long season ticket holders to give up their season tickets or stop going to games that they have paid a lot of money for. It's also asking such a small percentage of the whole fan base to make a huge sacrifice and what is the rest of the fan base going to do?

They can best help by being vocal at the stadium before and after games (whilst supporting the team during the game). What about a sit in after each game, refusing to leave until you are forced out by security and not buying anything inside the stadium?

What about boycotting the official website? All the news can be found on fan sites, forums and media anyway so it's not that difficult. The club are always boasting about how the official site is the most popular football website in the world so lets boycott it.

It will have some financial impact on the club but not crippling, it's easy for everyone to do instead of leaving it for season ticket holders to make all the sacrifice and it makes a huge statement if we can significantly reduce the number of hits to the site.

And any eseason ticket holders should cancel their subscriptions. Their is no waiting list for them so it's going to be easy to sign up again when H&G finally leave.

[CJ]

I think it's unreasonable to expect life long season ticket holders to give up their season tickets or stop going to games that they have paid a lot of money for. It's also asking such a small percentage of the whole fan base to make a huge sacrifice and what is the rest of the fan base going to do?

They can best help by being vocal at the stadium before and after games (whilst supporting the team during the game). What about a sit in after each game, refusing to leave until you are forced out by security and not buying anything inside the stadium?

What about boycotting the official website? All the news can be found on fan sites, forums and media anyway so it's not that difficult. The club are always boasting about how the official site is the most popular football website in the world so lets boycott it.

It will have some financial impact on the club but not crippling, it's easy for everyone to do instead of leaving it for season ticket holders to make all the sacrifice and it makes a huge statement if we can significantly reduce the number of hits to the site.

And any eseason ticket holders should cancel their subscriptions. Their is no waiting list for them so it's going to be easy to sign up again when H&G finally leave.

I think there are basically two schools of thought. One which says dont buy anything to do with the club and the reasoning is that to force them to leave you have to put severe pressure on them. They wont sell becasue some people walk round anfield before and after the game. as i keep saying the lawyer for the sums yanks said they are business man they wont sell because of protests or green scarfs. this school which i am in also says that yes it will hurt the club in the long term but it forces the sale quicker and the club is hurting now so the improvement providing we get the right owners will be quicker by exerting this more severe pressure. Also this side think that you cant have your cake and eat it ie stop moaning about the yanks if you keep lining their pockets with buying shirts and tickets.

the other school is to keep a profile within the media also to try to do things that wont hurt the club but does keep some pressure on the yanks.

For me I think the former obviously however it needs all supporters to do it so the pain is felt and it is a short sharp pain. some doing and some not will either not hurt the bank account of the muppets or will but not enough that it makes them think i need to sell now. for me the marches etc just keep us happy in as much as we say well we are trying but in effect we are not really we are wasting our time, just doing something for vanity rather than effect.

the flipside is if it done half hartedly as a season ticket holder you will stop seeing the team you love and for nothing and if it wasnt a good blanket stop buying then in wont work and will piss supporters off who have done all for nothing and then will kill any form of discent.

both have their pluses and minuses. For me the only one that will win is a full boycott buy huge numbers. However i am not convinced it will happen. i think its possible but would require alot of hard work and skill and i havent seen enough of both yet to convince me it will happen.


but thats just my two pence worth.

[Helios Creed]

Damn. I just bought a cute as hell LFC pajama kit for my 1 yr old nephew in the States, who we're going to see for the first time next month. It was half the price of a proper kit, so seemed a bargain.. I suppose recruiting a new fan partially offsets giving them revenue?

[CJ]

Damn. I just bought a cute as hell LFC pajama kit for my 1 yr old nephew in the States, who we're going to see for the first time next month. It was half the price of a proper kit, so seemed a bargain.. I suppose recruiting a new fan partially offsets giving them revenue?

no it doesnt naughty boy.

[MrsB]

Awww, I so understand you and I forgive you. I haven't purchased an LFC shirt in ages, my latest one has Baros 5 on the back ... I bought an England shirt this summer.