Lucas and the evaluation of players performance

[Craig_H]

Stats can be misleading. I remember Biscan had better passing stats than Alonso in his first season according to opta.

I think Lucas is decent. Stats have their place but you only have to watch him play for us to realise that he is / has been fairly limited. Would be interesting to see how he would do under a different manager

I dont need a weatherman to tell me it's pissing down with rain.

[Mattshark]

Stats can be misleading. I remember Biscan had better passing stats than Alonso in his first season according to opta.

I think Lucas is decent. Stats have their place but you only have to watch him play for us to realise that he is / has been fairly limited. Would be interesting to see how he would do under a different manager

Lucas not only has very high accuracy, but a high volume too.

Lucas Liverpool 1832 84%

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11662_2705370,00.html

[Craig_H]

Keep ignoring the point mate.

[Mattshark]

As i said, a lot of his passes are short, 5 yard balls which will obviously have a positive impact on his passing accuracy stats. Stats dont always tell the story though.

Tell me, do Liverpool fans have to rate every Liverpool player, in order to be proper fans?

Are there any Liverpool players who you dont think are brilliant/very good etc, and dont rate?

No they don't Craig, those who bleat on about the same false claims though, that have been pretty much shown to be inaccurate maybe need to have a think do.

Babel, Insua, Degen, Skrtel, El Zhar. (though I think Insua can get better).

[Mattshark]

Keep ignoring the point mate.

I'm not ignoring anything.

[Craig_H]

No they don't Craig, those who bleat on about the same false claims though, that have been pretty much shown to be inaccurate maybe need to have a think do.

Babel, Insua, Degen, Skrtel, El Zhar. (though I think Insua can get better).

False in your opinion though, Matt. That doesnt make it factually correct.

Just because you think the claims are false, doesnt make it so.

[Craig_H]

I'm not ignoring anything.

Apart from the high percentage of short, easy passes that Lucas executes.

[Kenneth]

Lucas not only has very high accuracy, but a high volume too.

Lucas Liverpool 1832 84%
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...705370,00.html

Ok. As would two players who stood in the middle and tapped the ball to each other all game.

[Mattshark]

False in your opinion though, Matt. That doesnt make it factually correct.

Just because you think the claims are false, doesnt make it so.

Well, yes, if you are willing to ignore stats which show them to be false

[Craig_H]

Well, yes, if you are willing to ignore stats which show them to be false

The stats which look better due to the high number of simple short passes he plays.

As someone said earlier, opta stats showed Biscan as having a better passing accuracy rate than Alonso. Shows you how skewed the stats can look.

[Craig_H]

Ok. As would two players who stood in the middle and tapped the ball to each other all game.

He wont get it, he just wont

[Kenneth]

I'm not ignoring anything.

Let's go with misunderstanding then.

Anyway, as was rightly pointed out, this isn't a Lucas thread.

[Mattshark]

Apart from the high percentage of short, easy passes that Lucas executes.

Then why, when we look at the Guardian game review, do we see different. Why don't other midfielders have such good stats or volume of passes exactly?

[Mattshark]

He wont get it, he just wont

Or it could be you're wrong Craig.

[Craig_H]

Then why, when we look at the Guardian game review, do we see different. Why don't other midfielders have such good stats or volume of passes exactly?

Because they play a higher amount of longer, riskier passes that probably dont reach their target. Lucas plays fewer of these.

You're ignoring the fact that i actually do WATCH the games, and i know what i'm seeing. You acting as if i'm making a judgement based on something other than seeing the matches.

I couldnt give a **** what a newspaper review says, i base my opinion on what i see.

Does the 'Guardian game review' say he plays a lot of forward, dangerous balls? Because he doesnt.