Lucas and the evaluation of players performance

[Mattshark]

The stats which look better due to the high number of simple short passes he plays.

As someone said earlier, opta stats showed Biscan as having a better passing accuracy rate than Alonso. Shows you how skewed the stats can look.

Only when you post such a nonsensical comparison, Biscan, unlike Lucas, didn't play and start almost every game.

[Craig_H]

Or it could be you're wrong Craig.

Me and about 90% of Liverpool fans. All wrong. Just you who's right. Nobody else.

Or maybe it could be that not every Liverpool player is the second coming of Pele.

[Mattshark]

Because they play a higher amount of longer, riskier passes that probably dont reach their target. Lucas plays fewer of these.

You're ignoring the fact that i actually do WATCH the games, and i know what i'm seeing. You acting as if i'm making a judgement based on something other than seeing the matches.

I couldnt give a **** what a newspaper review says, i base my opinion on what i see.

Does the 'Guardian game review' say he plays a lot of forward, dangerous balls? Because he doesnt.

Actually it did. So maybe your judgement is off.

Don't let those facts get in the way eh Craig .

[Mattshark]

Me and about 90% of Liverpool fans. All wrong. Just you who's right. Nobody else.

Or maybe it could be that not every Liverpool player is the second coming of Pele.

argumentum ad populum

Logically fallacy

[Craig_H]

Actually it did. So maybe your judgement is off.

Don't let those facts get in the way eh Craig .

Course it did.

I dont believe you Matt. You'll say it did and i'll say it didnt.

[Pablo]

Stupid debate, I can't even be arsed reading it all, but Lucas would make a woeful LFC manager.

[Craig_H]

argumentum ad populum

Logically fallacy

Fair point there, because you're the only Liverpool fan who is clued up, the rest of us know nothing.

Seat on that high horse nice and comfy, i bet.

[Mattshark]

Fair point there, because you're the only Liverpool fan who is clued up, the rest of us know nothing.

Seat on that high horse nice and comfy, i bet.

Oooh hypocrisy too eh Craig

[Mattshark]

Stupid debate, I can't even be arsed reading it all, but Lucas would make a woeful LFC manager.

[Craig_H]

So in conclusion, Matt says you're not allowed to have an opinion of what you look for in a very good player, unless Lucas meets the criteria.

[Galb]

Fair point there, because you're the only Liverpool fan who is clued up, the rest of us know nothing.

Seat on that high horse nice and comfy, i bet.

I dont know, surely yours is higher than anyones. I dont care what facts or stats anyone shows me, I go to the games and I KNOW. I know more than anyone else. Im never wrong.

Its all straw men, pedantics and misrepresentation with you mate. You must be a lawyer

And I think this was what he meant. Not the 'Guardian game review' you're trying to dismiss by misrepresenting what it is (no change there) but a visual record of the games. With things like players' passes. Not just in number but direction and location. You can look up a random selecion of Lucas' performances and you'll see passes of verying lengths all over the pitch. You can even compare him other players you think (sorry, know) play more accurate and more regular long passes. Have a look. You might learn something.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/create

[Kenneth]

So in conclusion, Matt says you're not allowed to have an opinion of what you look for in a very good player, unless Lucas meets the criteria.

And you can support your opinion with tenuously related statistics.

[Craig_H]

And you can support your opinion with tenuously related statistics.

[Mattshark]

And you can support your opinion with tenuously related statistics.

How are they tenuous exactly?

[kris90210]

I dont know, surely yours is higher than anyones. I dont care what facts or stats anyone shows me, I go to the games and I KNOW. I know more than anyone else. Im never wrong.

Its all straw men, pedantics and misrepresentation with you mate. You must be a lawyer

And I think this was what he meant. Not the 'Guardian game review' you're trying to dismiss by misrepresenting what it is (no change there) but a visual record of the games. With things like players' passes. Not just in number but direction and location. You can look up a random selecion of Lucas' performances and you'll see passes of verying lengths all over the pitch. You can even compare him other players you think (sorry, know) play more accurate and more regular long passes. Have a look. You might learn something.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/create

Thats an awesome link - thanks for posting