Money money money

[BobTheCharmer]

You're very judgemental about other people's footballing knowledge aren't you? I wonder what gives you such a high opinion of yourself that you can judge others.

he's a **** - that works.

[Tom]

If you're saying it's oxymoronic in that those decades were when we last won the title then let me refer you to the Fergusson stat where he never fielded the same team all season and won the prem.

What are you talking about? I've not mentioned rotation, this is about chopping and changing managers - which gets you nowhere.

A lot of new fans are sick of hearing people bleat on about the teams and players of the past, the past is exactly that, the past. So there's no point comparing tactics players etc, because it's all different nowadays.

A lot of *new* fans should show some respect to the traditions an ethos of the club. Then again, a lot of *new* fans don't come from liverpool and haven't got a clue. Being a fan is about more than just watching sky on sunday, it involves duties. What are we as a club without our history? Nothing!

[Red_Polo]

What has history got to do with chopping and changing, it's a different game to what it was back in the 60s 70s 80s. Also disagree that new supporters have to learn about the history, it's nice if they want to but they don't have to.

Agree with the first part but I'm sorry, the second point is total crap. Only by understanding what we were then do we understand what we are now.

[est1980]

its really a matter of horses for courses. when wenger won the double immediately he didnt have the greater degree of competition. we have a better team than blackburn when they won the league but its a lot more difficult now.

people say its easier to win the cl these days but is it? even when porto won it they had ferriera, carvaliho, deco etc

[Tom]

It is indeed a fact that UEFA deems it the most important competition, but then it is THEIR competition.

Oh for ****s sake, and the premiership belongs to the premier league. I haven't a clue what you're trying to argue here.

The league is more important to me and UEFA won't change that.

so following your hugely flawed logic, if I decided that the league cup was more important than the championship, because it was my OPINION, it would indeed be so? Lets just ignore the agreed upon hierachies of competition shall we?

Were you saying the same thing when we were banned from the european cup?

I was actually at heysel you prick. I know what I'm talking about while you patently do not.

[Red_Polo]

I don't agree we need more money to win the league. We had a very good points total last season and had enough money to have gone for just a couple of big signings to improve us further. By the end of last season we had all the tools necessary that we had a very good chance of winning the league this season.

[est1980]

Oh for ****s sake, and the premiership belongs to the premier league. I haven't a clue what you're trying to argue here.



so following your hugely flawed logic, if I decided that the league cup was more important than the championship, because it was my OPINION, it would indeed be so? Lets just ignore the agreed upon hierachies of competition shall we?



I was actually at heysel you prick. I know what I'm talking about while you patently do not.

Giys this is silly. we need to be positive on everything. The league and the CL are vital and no-one could really prioritise one over the other. In spain Real's coach got sacked for not winning the league but not the CL and the presedent has been set the other way also. They are both important and we want to set out to won them both

[Tom]

he's a **** - that works.

Yeah whatever :whatever:

[est1980]

I don't agree we need more money to win the league. We had a very good points total last season and had enough money to have gone for just a couple of big signings to improve us further. By the end of last season we had all the tools necessary that we had a very good chance of winning the league this season.

I understand that but our two closest rivals then moved on by spending large sums of money and changed the playing field

[Red Chilli]

Oh for ****s sake, and the premiership belongs to the premier league. I haven't a clue what you're trying to argue here.

That UEFA deciding their competition is more important than other competitions doesn't necessarily mean I, or the majority, have to agree with them.

so following your hugely flawed logic, if I decided that the league cup was more important than the championship, because it was my OPINION, it would indeed be so? Lets just ignore the agreed upon hierachies of competition shall we?

Agreed by whom? Please enlighten me. If you mean agreed by UEFA then don't bother.

I was actually at heysel you prick. I know what I'm talking about while you patently do not.

Lots of assumptions in that statement, but it still doesn't answer the question.

[Red_Polo]

I understand that but our two closest rivals then moved on by spending large sums of money and changed the playing field

So you think it's because Chelsea signed Sheva, Ballack and Cole that we can't win the league? They haven't improved, they've gone backwards, because how you play as a team is so much more important. Likewise the reason than Mancs have been so good this season is not because they signed Carrick for **** loads, but because they've got together and played as a cohesive unit. We've got potential to win the league but we are not realising it in our team play.

[est1980]

So you think it's because Chelsea signed Sheva, Ballack and Cole that we can't win the league? They haven't improved, they've gone backwards, because how you play as a team is so much more important. Likewise the reason than Mancs have been so good this season is not because they signed Carrick for **** loads, but because they've got together and played as a cohesive unit. We've got potential to win the league but we are not realising it in our team play.

agree on a lot of points but at the end of the day Man U have scholes back whcih is like signing a 30 mil player. Chelsea will win it again because Shev and Ballack will add that extra something later in the season

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Does everyone not remember Fergies early years, especially 86-91. Some of his signings were truely ****e. United were ****e.

Then he turned it around. In came Fat head Bruce, Irwin, Ince, Keane, Pallister, Red nose and Cuntona. Add that to Giggs, Scholes, the Nevilles, Butt and Becks and those *******s suddenly had a dynasty.

Rafa's already won 2 major trophies in his first 2 years. Fergie took 6 years to win the league.

Yes it's ****e just now and we've taken a backward step from last season with the summer signings (except Kuyt). But I'm sure Rafa will sign the right players.

But he needs proper money to do that. We'll be competitive for the League but until the club can gain the ability on behalf of Rafa to buy a proven world class player like the scum have with Rooney we'll always come up short.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

yes money helps. But all we expect is the players to be let off the lease and allowed to attack. money doesn't come into that. Luton play attacking football and have bugger all money.

Its an excuse.

Agree.

Rafa has to change this negative approach he has, especially in away games.

It won't fly over here.

[Red Chilli]

Good point Charlie but part of the reason Fergie won the league was because Sky came in and Man Utd took advantage of the change in the game. Money had a lot to do with his success.