Money money money

[Tom]

That UEFA deciding their competition is more important than other competitions doesn't necessarily mean I, or the majority, have to agree with them.


Agreed by whom? Please enlighten me. If you mean agreed by UEFA then don't bother.

Let me enlighten you. The FA are a constiuent body of UEFA. Football is an institution of hierachies. The higher up you go in competition, the more important the competition is. At the top of the tree in europe is the european cup. It's the same principle at play in international terms. Winning the world cup is more important than winning the championship. Surely this is not too hard to understand? It doesn't matter a flying **** whether you like this or agree with it or not. The fact is that the entire of european football including the FA and Liverpool FC accept this too. Your opinion in this counts for naught. It's a bit like saying, I don't agree that the prime minister can set governmental policy. You might not like the fact that he does, but it doesn't change the fact that he can.


Incidentally this hierachy translates into hugely important european seedings and influence. It's why chelski - despite winning the championship for 2 years in a row, are not seeded higher than us and are not a member of the G14.

Lots of assumptions in that statement, but it still doesn't answer the question.

Yes I did as it happens. Those of us who were there were devasted by the event and the fact that we couldn't compete in the competition afterwards - such was the importance of the competition to the club.

[Morph]

What are you talking about? I've not mentioned rotation, this is about chopping and changing managers - which gets you nowhere.

A lot of *new* fans should show some respect to the traditions an ethos of the club. Then again, a lot of *new* fans don't come from liverpool and haven't got a clue. Being a fan is about more than just watching sky on sunday, it involves duties. What are we as a club without our history? Nothing!

It was not obvious you were talking about chopping and changing managers, maybe you should have been more clearer, it sounded like you were talking about tactics.

Still disagree about the history, I could tell you **** all about the 1890's - 50's of the club, and my knowledge of the 50's to the 90's isn't exactly brilliant, but that makes me no less of a fan than you. I prefer to live in the present, and will read the odd book or watch the odd match when I feel like.

[Red_Polo]

agree on a lot of points but at the end of the day Man U have scholes back whcih is like signing a 30 mil player. Chelsea will win it again because Shev and Ballack will add that extra something later in the season

..and also sold RVN.

As for Chelsea it remains to be seen but they won't beat their points total from Maureen's first season, and they've spent **** loads since then. Point being once you have a certain base of players it is how you play as a tema that matters. Now we had enough money this summer to easily give us that base even if you don't think we have it now.

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

Good point Charlie but part of the reason Fergie won the league was because Sky came in and Man Utd took advantage of the change in the game. Money had a lot to do with his success.

Yes.

And we do need more of it.

Spending £13m combined on the Pennant's and Bellamy's will get us nowhere.

It's all well and good signing gems like Agger and Sissoko for bargain prices, but they are few and far between.

In the majority of time in this day and age you only get what you pay for.

And we need to start paying top whack for players such as Alves and David Villa. Players who will take us forward.

[Red Chilli]

OK Tom, I don't wish to argue about this, whether that's a concession or not I'll let you decide.
However, I've asked my friends about this on many occassions and the opinion is certainly divided.
Maybe you should ask a large sample of football fans their opinion and get back to us. I still think you will get a split decision but have no way of proving this today.
It's just my own opinion, but I'd rather win the league this season than the champions league.

[ronan]

dont think he meant you have to have a doctorate in the history of lfc but saying that nothing that has happened in the past has nothing to do with you is wrong.
if it wasnt for our past you probably wouldnt support liverpool
championships
european nights
fa cups
heysel
hillsborough
the kop
all of it and much more is what makes our club what it is and who we are.

[Tom]

It was not obvious you were talking about chopping and changing managers, maybe you should have been more clearer, it sounded like you were talking about tactics.

Then i suggest you read the immediate posts prior to your joining the conversation as it was clear, beyond doubt, that we were talking about giving managers time to develop teams. It's not that my post wasn't clear is that you didn't bother to read the prior posts.

50's to the 90's isn't exactly brilliant, but that makes me no less of a fan than you. I prefer to live in the present, and will read the odd book or watch the odd match when I feel like.

I live in the present too but boasting about not being bothered about recent (as recent as 1990 for ****s sake) history says it all really.

[carheex]

Every fan that supports the club has a duty to learn and know the history of the club. You're supporting the club as an institution as much as a team. That means understanding its ethos and history.

get off your soapbox - you sound like some old preaching grandad!

[Red_Polo]

We tried to sign Villa ages ago and he didn't want to come.

We could've signed Alves if we hadn't wanted to spread the money thinner to get some squad filler.

We don't need more money we just need to use what we have wisely and play as a cohesive unit. Of course more money means it's easier but we don't absolutely need it, that's not the thing we need to pick on for criticism at all IMO.

[Tom]

OK Tom, I don't wish to argue about this, whether that's a concession or not I'll let you decide.
However, I've asked my friends about this on many occassions and the opinion is certainly divided.
Maybe you should ask a large sample of football fans their opinion and get back to us. I still think you will get a split decision but have no way of proving this today.
It's just my own opinion, but I'd rather win the league this season than the champions league.

For the last time, it's not an issue of "opinions" it's about achievements and recognition of those achievements by football institutions. In the hierachy of achievement the european cup is more important that national championships. If you win the prem you are champions of england, if you win the European cup you are champions of europe. It's not for us - me or you - to decide if one's more important than another. It's given to the football authorites and the clubs to decide.

[Morph]

Then i suggest you read the immediate posts prior to your joining the conversation as it was clear, beyond doubt, that we were talking about giving managers time to develop teams. It's not that my post wasn't clear is that you didn't bother to read the prior posts.



I live in the present too but boasting about not being bothered about recent (as recent as 1990 for ****s sake) history says it all really.

What the **** are you talking about boasting about not being bothered about recent history?

[Red Chilli]

How many more times do i have to explain. It's not an issue of "opinions" it's about achievements and recognition of those achievements by football institutions. In the hierachy of achievement the european cup is more important that national championships. If you win the prem you are champions of england, if you win the European cup you are champions of europe. It's not for us - me or you - to decide if ones more important than another. It's given to the football authorites and the clubs.

You said it was "generally accepted".

I said the opinion was divided.

[Tom]

get off your soapbox - you sound like some old preaching grandad!

Yeah whatever.

[carheex]

Yeah whatever.

what a turnaround - now you sound like a schoolkid!! you'll be saying "bovvered" next.

[Tom]

What the **** are you talking about boasting about not being bothered about recent history?

The 1990s is recent is it not?