Is Hodgson the right man for LFC

[Lecter]

Interesting poll though Shaggy, going back a few days to the conversation about relative support for sacking Rafa and Roy. Can't remember the significance of it, but interesting all the same. 70% want to change the manager in September. Wow.

I think this shows the level of support for his initial appointment as much as anything

Many many fans were sceptical over his appointment (myself included)

Thats quickly turned into a complete lack of faith when the fears over his appointment are being proven correctly out on the pitch

[red g]

When you say 'our aim' what do you mean? Certainly wasn't my realistic target for the season. An aspiration maybe.

My realistic aim before the season was top 4. I have seen nothing from Scum, City or Arsenal to think under a decent boss we couldnt acheive that.

While i acknowledge we would have to remain injury free and other things to go our way that was my target with top 6 being minimum requirement.

What was yours out of interest?

[Kenneth]

My realistic aim before the season was top 4. I have seen nothing from Scum, City or Arsenal to think under a decent boss we couldnt acheive that.

While i acknowledge we would have to remain injury free and other things to go our way that was my target with top 6 being minimum requirement.

What was yours out of interest?

Probably top 4 as a noteworthy achievement. Top 6 as a pragmatic expectation, 8th and below as failure.

[Kenneth]

I think this shows the level of support for his initial appointment as much as anything

Many many fans were sceptical over his appointment (myself included)

Thats quickly turned into a complete lack of faith when the fears over his appointment are being proven correctly out on the pitch

That's true. Before the season started it was widely predicted that Roy would have a rough ride if he didn't start well, that people would be overly critical, for those reasons. Obviously we have started badly and he's getting it both barrels. Some fair, some ott.

[malg]

I was expecting a challenge for top 4, with anything below 6 being a failure.

[Kenneth]

He clearly thinks he needs to lower expectations, which is true to be fair, but that's more convincing when things are going ok, and his interviews are too downbeat and are piasing us off. Not doing himself any favours.

[danperkins]

None of us wanted Hodgson but it was one of few options that looked half way decent, he needs more time, simple. But he'd seriously wanna sort out our performances and get some points on the board. The bedding in excuse which is valid will only last for so long, i think whats getting to most people apart from the fact that we're not winning games, is the fact we are playing horribly in all of these games.

To be honest i think Liverpool F.C. haven't played free flowing, technical football in a good few years now. We most certainly weren't pretty to watch under Rafa and nothing has changed under Roy, and when you aren't winning either thats not a good thing.

Roy deserves time for sure, sacking him now is a stupid, stupid notion and isn't going to happen anyways. You could either say we were very lucky with other results on the weekend if you were an optimist Or you could say we didn't capitalize on other results if you were a realist, bit of both for me. With the likes of Arsenal playing Chelsea on weekend & with City beating Chelsea etc the big teams "will" 100% be dropping points throughout the season, there will be no clear cut leader IMO so in that respect its great for us.

But we must be winning the next 4 league games if we realisticly wanna keep the chase up on 4th place. Anything other than 3 points against Blackpool is a disaster.

[Lecter]

None of us wanted Hodgson but it was one of few options that looked half way decent, he needs more time, simple. But he'd seriously wanna sort out our performances and get some points on the board. The bedding in excuse which is valid will only last for so long, i think whats getting to most people apart from the fact that we're not winning games, is the fact we are playing horribly in all of these games.

To be honest i think Liverpool F.C. haven't played free flowing, technical football in a good few years now. We most certainly weren't pretty to watch under Rafa and nothing has changed under Roy, and when you aren't winning either thats not a good thing.

Roy deserves time for sure, sacking him now is a stupid, stupid notion and isn't going to happen anyways. You could either say we were very lucky with other results on the weekend if you were an optimist Or you could say we didn't capitalize on other results if you were a realist, bit of both for me. With the likes of Arsenal playing Chelsea on weekend & with City beating Chelsea etc the big teams "will" 100% be dropping points throughout the season, there will be no clear cut leader IMO so in that respect its great for us.

But we must be winning the next 4 league games if we realisticly wanna keep the chase up on 4th place. Anything other than 3 points against Blackpool is a disaster.

If Hodgson doesnt get 12 points out of the next 4 games he will have less points than Rafa did last season (after 10 games)

Bearing in mind that he currently has only half the points Rafa had this time last season I would say we are right to criticise him and question him

His tactics are odd, hes had a full side out on Saturday and he had less new players than Sunderland and yet still we looked a rabble

My gut feeling is we will get 6 points out of the next 12 available and then that will put the cat amongst the pigeons as I think we might have no choice but to look at his position

[Lecter]

That's true. Before the season started it was widely predicted that Roy would have a rough ride if he didn't start well, that people would be overly critical, for those reasons. Obviously we have started badly and he's getting it both barrels. Some fair, some ott.

I was criticial of the appointment on two counts

Firstly I didnt think he was up to the job and because of the scepticism towards him that he would face a difficult task of turning people back on side

Secondly he got the job at the expense of Kenny which again is another black mark and would mean results would have to be going good for him to overcome that hurdle

Unfortunately results have not gone his way and the pressure is mounting, its clearly affecting Roy as well because he seems lost in his own world on the bench and completely delusional in regards to after match comments

[Zapater]

That's the thing though, in the start of his reign he hasn't done anything to even suggest he's capable that we can take positives from. We're not playing well or convincingly and the results are alluding us. As bad as it sounds 1 or two of these results have even flattered us a little.

A number of his team selections, transfers and tactics need strong explanation IMO. A lot of what he's done doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and only he can take the responsibility for that.

I'm not saying he must go because I'm not a huge fan of sacking managers, especially mid season, but if this continues and he starts doing great damage to the club, then someone will have to step in. Even if it's say, Kenny as an intern manager until we can give him the job on a permanent basis or higher a more competent manager like Pellegrini or Deschamp for instance.

[danperkins]

If Hodgson doesnt get 12 points out of the next 4 games he will have less points than Rafa did last season (after 10 games)

Bearing in mind that he currently has only half the points Rafa had this time last season I would say we are right to criticise him and question him

His tactics are odd, hes had a full side out on Saturday and he had less new players than Sunderland and yet still we looked a rabble

My gut feeling is we will get 6 points out of the next 12 available and then that will put the cat amongst the pigeons as I think we might have no choice but to look at his position

the next 4 games are crucial and time for excuses is running out for sure. Its the performances i think that are most glaring, as we literally don't deserve anything out of the games, that just change asap.

10 points out of 12 in next 4 games, is the minimum IMO

[danperkins]

That's true. Before the season started it was widely predicted that Roy would have a rough ride if he didn't start well, that people would be overly critical, for those reasons. Obviously we have started badly and he's getting it both barrels. Some fair, some ott.

spot on mate

[Lecter]

the next 4 games are crucial and time for excuses is running out for sure. Its the performances i think that are most glaring, as we literally don't deserve anything out of the games, that just change asap.

10 points out of 12 in next 4 games, is the minimum IMO

I'd agree 10 points out of 12

I think he has no chance of that frankly (which is why I'd be tempted to pull the trigger now)

Our form is shocking and frankly as you say its not as if we have had hard luck in the games, we have invariably been second best (by a long way) in most of our league games so far

[DeeTheDog]

I think any team, that boasts three world class players in Reina, Gerrard and Torres supported by full internationals from top international teams, fourth place should be a minimum not a maximum, there has been that much dampening of expectations that many have accepted this.

Apart from looking as toothless as an extra from a fixadent ad, we have lost our solid defensive base, we are defending as poorly as I have seen since the pre-Hyypia days.

[Fredo]

the next 4 games are crucial and time for excuses is running out for sure. Its the performances i think that are most glaring, as we literally don't deserve anything out of the games, that just change asap.

10 points out of 12 in next 4 games, is the minimum IMO

It's not just the performances which are most glaring, it's his tactics and his lack of reaction in the dugout. As Lecter has said, he told someone who heckled him that he didn't know what to do!!

I've voted to give him time (in that other thread) but half way through our match against Sunderland on Saturday I wanted him out, so shocked I was with the formation and tactics.

I hope he proves me wrong, I sincerely do.