Is Hodgson the right man for LFC

[Daniel 7]

While I detest Allardyce, I'll always remember that shot of him, after not many games, on the touchline at St James while they were losing again, and some snarling Geordie behind him in the stand clearly shouting "You don't know what you're ****ing doing". I always felt it was totally out of order and a really ****ty thing for a supporter to do...and while I don't really want Roy here I would hate, HATE to see our fans turn on him in the ground like that.

Thats exactly what I remember. Right at him whilst he fixed his gaze on the pitch. Horrible fans the geordies.

Didn't they show that just before the match where they booed Gerrard and he scored that screamer?

[Shaggy]

Thats exactly what I remember. Right at him whilst he fixed his gaze on the pitch. Horrible fans the geordies.

Didn't they show that just before the match where they booed Gerrard and he scored that screamer?

Actually yeah, good point - it was against us wasn't it? Maybe that's why I remember it so vividly. We battered them 3-0, that one? Yeah...er....Gerrard screamer when they were booing him for some England-related ****e. Remember Nando hitting the post after Given handled and should've been sent off. Think Babel got one that day.

[Arn]

One certain person don't have a clue about football tactics, not a clue at all. I think everyone know who.

If you play with two attacking fullbacks then you need to play with at least one out and out defensive midfielder.

We had Xabi and Masch, two defensive midfielder. Xabi played in the quarterback position protected by Masch.

Lucas instead of Xabi and the injuries to Aquilani meant that we had to change the way we play. Instead of one cleaner and one quarterback we suddenly played with two cleaners. That of course meant that Gerrard had to come deeper to get the ball and that left our striker isolated upfront.

One change could mean that the whole system fells apart. When that player probably is the best "quarterback" in the world together with Xavi then that is big big loss.

Rafa had built his whole system around the quarterback position. Just as he did at Valencia. He had to find a new one to get the system to work or change system.

Lucas instead of Xabi and Torres injured more than half the season. The reasons to our **** 09-10 season.

What Rafa did the 08-09 season was fantastic. More than fantastic. He almost won the league even that Gerrard and Torres(two man team my ass) only played together 22 times. We played as TEAM that season. We could cope without key players without any problem because of our brilliant attitude. We never gave up. We played as a team. We won and lost like a team.

[Fredo]

One certain person don't have a clue about football tactics, not a clue at all. I think everyone know who.

If you play with two attacking fullbacks then you need to play with at least one out and out defensive midfielder.

We had Xabi and Masch, two defensive midfielder. Xabi played in the quarterback position protected by Masch.

Lucas instead of Xabi and the injuries to Aquilani meant that we had to change the way we play. Instead of one cleaner and one quarterback we suddenly played with two cleaners. That of course meant that Gerrard had to come deeper to get the ball and that left our striker isolated upfront.

One change could mean that the whole system fells apart. When that player probably is the best "quarterback" in the world together with Xavi then that is big big loss.

Rafa had built his whole system around the quarterback position. Just as he did at Valencia. He had to find a new one to get the system to work or change system.

Lucas instead of Xabi and Torres injured more than half the season. The reasons to our **** 09-10 season.

What Rafa did the 08-09 season was fantastic. More than fantastic. He almost won the league even that Gerrard and Torres(two man team my ass) only played together 22 times. We played as TEAM that season. We could cope without key players without any problem because of our brilliant attitude. We never gave up. We played as a team. We won and lost like a team.

'Cleaners'

[Montana]

You didnt have rotation then

The midfield pairing of Whelan & McMahon was superb and brilliantly balanced

Whelan was probably one of the most underrated midfield players we have EVER had

I always felt that when Molby came in the balance was not quite right despite him being a superb player

At the time Hansen, Lawrenson and Gillespie were sufferring a lot of injuries, Nicol was often playing at centrehalf and I think Kenny sometimes went with Molby in there as part of a 3 to compensate deficiencies there due to injuries

Fact is the standard of football then was far in excess of what it is now

We won the FA Cup that season and came runners up in the league losing to the famous Michael Thomas goal

Spot on.

We had a lot of injuries in defence at the beginning of that season and we'd just finished one of our best seasons ever prior. There is absolutely no comparison with that run of games and this.

Roy has never done it at top level management - no major trophy in his very long career. His CV is not great and the performances and results so far are just confirming all our fears.

I'm normally against changing managers so early but honestly I feel on this occasion we have to do it and bring Kenny back asap. We currently have a real dud in charge who could ruin us on the pitch and increase our problems with maybe key players going sooner rather than later.

[BobTheCharmer]

One certain person don't have a clue about football tactics, not a clue at all. I think everyone know who.

If you play with two attacking fullbacks then you need to play with at least one out and out defensive midfielder.

We had Xabi and Masch, two defensive midfielder. Xabi played in the quarterback position protected by Masch.

Lucas instead of Xabi and the injuries to Aquilani meant that we had to change the way we play. Instead of one cleaner and one quarterback we suddenly played with two cleaners. That of course meant that Gerrard had to come deeper to get the ball and that left our striker isolated upfront.

One change could mean that the whole system fells apart. When that player probably is the best "quarterback" in the world together with Xavi then that is big big loss.

Rafa had built his whole system around the quarterback position. Just as he did at Valencia. He had to find a new one to get the system to work or change system.

Lucas instead of Xabi and Torres injured more than half the season. The reasons to our **** 09-10 season.

What Rafa did the 08-09 season was fantastic. More than fantastic. He almost won the league even that Gerrard and Torres(two man team my ass) only played together 22 times. We played as TEAM that season. We could cope without key players without any problem because of our brilliant attitude. We never gave up. We played as a team. We won and lost like a team.

I thought you were banned Fredo???

[alunevans]

Spot on.

We had a lot of injuries in defence at the beginning of that season and we'd just finished one of our best seasons ever prior. There is absolutely no comparison with that run of games and this.

Roy has never done it at top level management - no major trophy in his very long career. His CV is not great and the performances and results so far are just confirming all our fears.

I'm normally against changing managers so early but honestly I feel on this occasion we have to do it and bring Kenny back asap. We currently have a real dud in charge who could ruin us on the pitch and increase our problems with maybe key players going sooner rather than later.

Then how about this run of results

Man City 0 Liverpool 0
Liverpool 1 Wigan 1
Middlesbrough 1 Liverpool 1
Liverpool 2 Aston Villa 2
West Ham 1 Liverpool 0

4 points from 5 games. Even worse than the 5pts from 5 from Roy's batch.

Nightmare eh.

Or just another statistically insignificant run of matches, this time from Rafa's 2007/08 season.

We finished 4th by the way.

[BobTheCharmer]

Then how about this run of results

Man City 0 Liverpool 0
Liverpool 1 Wigan 1
Middlesbrough 1 Liverpool 1
Liverpool 2 Aston Villa 2
West Ham 1 Liverpool 0

4 points from 5 games. Even worse than the 5pts from 5 from Roy's batch.

Nightmare eh.

Or just another statistically insignificant run of matches, this time from Rafa's 2007/08 season.

We finished 4th by the way.

you're wasting your time mate. the knives are out, the witch hunt is in full flow, it won't stop for the forseeable.

You've got the fans who didn't want him as manager, and in their minds at least they feel more than justifed with literally every passing hour. Fair enough at least they're consistent.

You've got the people who have extremely selective memories and are basically re-writing the history of Rafael Benitez LFC manager to suit their agenda. I'm sure he'll be claimed by some to be some kind of spanish god in a few weeks.

You then have the ones who only read what they want to read for example, you said he did a good job at Fulham and the response was 'would you settle for the same league position at liverpool??!!!' How can someone saying he did a good job at fulham getting 7th and then a europe final place the following season equate to 'I think if Roy does the same here it'll be a great success???'

Then the ones defending Roy on here are coming across as though they're on a personal crusade to defend his honour, whereas in reality it only looks that way when there's so much unfair and unjust flack being posted.

It's madness.

On a side note, What happened to the crowd inspiring the players? Its about time they showed why they're revered the world over. A team obviously low on confidence together with new players would benefit no end from having the ground rocking again, helping to inspire greater performances. Instead of groans and moans when a pass goes astray they should be flat out cheering the team on. What better way to say **** off to the americans, than to sing your hearts out and will our team on to better things regardless of the handicap of the owners. Its our team afterall. If this didn't help results, then you'd have to start raising some serious questions.

[erick]

Points lost was due to Rafa, how about the points gained? Due to Torres/Gerrard/Kuyt/Xabi........??

Or at the start of season, full points are given to each teams, once manager makes wrong decisions,then points are decuced?

[Lecter]

Then the ones defending Roy on here are coming across as though they're on a personal crusade to defend his honour, whereas in reality it only looks that way when there's so much unfair and unjust flack being posted.

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Unfair and unjust - flmao

Worst start for 28 years (will be 50 odd if we dont win this weekend)

6 points out of a possible 18

Knocked out of the cup at home by a 4th division side

****e performances, odd tactics, no passion, no commitment etc....

A manager who seems to sit there and watches the world go by whilst his team surrender

No wonder the fans arent inspired they want a manager and a team who is willing to get into the trenches and fight alongside them not one who stands back and encourages you to walk towards the machine guns

Hodgson to me is getting everything he deserves so far (apart from the name calling which is out of order)

Also to me some of his interviews have been baffling and they have definitely curried no favour with the support. He'd have definitely been given some respect if he'd told the truth instead of spinning us a line. His dumming down of expectation is driving me mad and his descriptions of some of the atrocities on the pitch are delusional at best

[Lecter]

[QUOTE = alunevans ; 1725496 ] Then how about this run of results

Man City 0 Liverpool 0
Liverpool 1 Wigan 1
Middlesbrough 1 Liverpool 1
Liverpool 2 Aston Villa 2
Ham 1 Liverpool 0

4 points from 5 games . Even Worse Than The 5pts from 5 from Roy's batch .

Nightmare eh.

Or just another statistiquement Insignificant run of matches , this time from Rafa 's 2007/08 season .

We finished 4th by the way . [/ QUOTE]

That season we had 12 points from the first 18 and by game 10 we had 22 points

Its not just looking at a snapshot of results, its the performances as well we have been ****ing shocking in the extreme so far completely lacking the fundamentals (passions, commitment, organisation etc..) required by even a Sunday League team

[Roboklopp]

Mate, you can reiterate the same thing over and over again about performances, but it will be completely ignored. **** knows why.

[Shaggy]

Unfair and unjust - flmao

Worst start for 28 years (will be 50 odd if we dont win this weekend)

6 points out of a possible 18

Knocked out of the cup at home by a 4th division side

****e performances, odd tactics, no passion, no commitment etc....

A manager who seems to sit there and watches the world go by whilst his team surrender

No wonder the fans arent inspired they want a manager and a team who is willing to get into the trenches and fight alongside them not one who stands back and encourages you to walk towards the machine guns

Hodgson to me is getting everything he deserves so far (apart from the name calling which is out of order)

Also to me some of his interviews have been baffling and they have definitely curried no favour with the support. He'd have definitely been given some respect if he'd told the truth instead of spinning us a line. His dumming down of expectation is driving me mad and his descriptions of some of the atrocities on the pitch are delusional at best

Mate, you can reiterate the same thing over and over again about performances, but it will be completely ignored. **** knows why.

[Fredo]

you're wasting your time mate. the knives are out, the witch hunt is in full flow, it won't stop for the forseeable.

You've got the fans who didn't want him as manager, and in their minds at least they feel more than justifed with literally every passing hour. Fair enough at least they're consistent.

You've got the people who have extremely selective memories and are basically re-writing the history of Rafael Benitez LFC manager to suit their agenda. I'm sure he'll be claimed by some to be some kind of spanish god in a few weeks.

You then have the ones who only read what they want to read for example, you said he did a good job at Fulham and the response was 'would you settle for the same league position at liverpool??!!!' How can someone saying he did a good job at fulham getting 7th and then a europe final place the following season equate to 'I think if Roy does the same here it'll be a great success???'

Then the ones defending Roy on here are coming across as though they're on a personal crusade to defend his honour, whereas in reality it only looks that way when there's so much unfair and unjust flack being posted.

It's madness.

On a side note, What happened to the crowd inspiring the players? Its about time they showed why they're revered the world over. A team obviously low on confidence together with new players would benefit no end from having the ground rocking again, helping to inspire greater performances. Instead of groans and moans when a pass goes astray they should be flat out cheering the team on. What better way to say **** off to the americans, than to sing your hearts out and will our team on to better things regardless of the handicap of the owners. Its our team afterall. If this didn't help results, then you'd have to start raising some serious questions.

I don't know why I did that (as if I had the time really) but it seems to me you're one of the very few who really can't see any faults in the way Hodgson manages our team. So, I delved a bit in your past history of posts, hoping to see if you weren't guilty of doing the same at the end of Rafa's reign. It is obvious that you didn't rate Benitez, so it was fairly easy to locate a small sample of posts from you at the end of last season. Here are some of them, as I didn't have time to go through all of them.

I'm fairly happy that Rafa has gone. One down two to go.

As things were standing I'd have settled for new owners and Rafa to stay but I couldn't face the thought of a new season with the same status quo. So like I said one down.....

I'd be a hypocrite if I said any different.

Don't you think we've gone past the 'status quo' stage now and it's very quickly getting to the stage where we're a fast sinking ship? Wouldn't you be castigated as an hypocrite if you didn't acknowledge that because it seems you're doing just that.

so ****ing what. He was at Fulham. Do you really expext us to win only two games away next season? ****ing hell give the guy some credit. He's an outstanding candidate with a wealth of experience.

Hopefully this appoint will be the turning point in our national game. Its not all foreign is best. The guy has well and truly earnt his chance at a big team.

Why are you so quick to jump on anyone that wants Roy appointed? Our opinions don't count?

Yes Bob, some of the people who seemed to have doubted his credibility back then are surely overreacting now. He does look like a top, top appointment, or as you said, outstanding.

[alunevans]

[QUOTE = alunevans ; 1725496 ] Then how about this run of results

Man City 0 Liverpool 0
Liverpool 1 Wigan 1
Middlesbrough 1 Liverpool 1
Liverpool 2 Aston Villa 2
Ham 1 Liverpool 0

4 points from 5 games . Even Worse Than The 5pts from 5 from Roy's batch .

Nightmare eh.

Or just another statistiquement Insignificant run of matches , this time from Rafa 's 2007/08 season .

We finished 4th by the way . [/ QUOTE]

That season we had 12 points from the first 18 and by game 10 we had 22 points

Its not just looking at a snapshot of results, its the performances as well we have been ****ing shocking in the extreme so far completely lacking the fundamentals (passions, commitment, organisation etc..) required by even a Sunday League team

You are looking at a snapshot of results though because these results are all you've got and you've no clue yet whether they're representative or not.