Is Hodgson the right man for LFC

[malg]

[QUOTE=NigelLG;1724674]Fans who never backed his appointment in the first place will hardly back him now. He needs to be doing much better if that's going to be the case. For one, I'm against rebuilding jobs as I know that we're going to go through a period of disruption, then transition again. What is the point of it?

Fans calling for the head of our former manager at the end of last season were as wrong as the ones calling for Hodgson's head now.[/QUOTE]

What do you think we should do then.If someone is under performing should they not be warned then sacked ?

[Fredo]

What do you think we should do then.If someone is under performing should they not be warned then sacked ?

I don't see Hodgson as our solution but at the same time, I don't see the board as it is now, to make any sound decision regarding our club in the future. Let things be, let it rot until the point when it is clear to all that it was the wrong decision.

[alunevans]

my issue is with the sample size of games (initially 5 and now just 6) that leads people to say hodgson is under performing.

[Fredo]

You mean league games. He's been in charge for more than that though, Europa League, League Cup and we've been mediocre at best in each of those games. I haven't seen us play well once this season, not once! It doesn't seem to get better either, it gets worse, the last league game taking the cake for me!

[DannyMan2006]

my issue is with the sample size of games (initially 5 and now just 6) that leads people to say hodgson is under performing.

I think the underlying issue is that his side has been out played by everyteam they've faced this year, other than fleeting moments in matches where we've actually gone for it.

If we were dominating the likes of West Brom, Birmingham, Sunderland and Northampton people would be giving him more slack.

[LFCman]

This is one of the most uninspiring Liverpool teams I have ever seen. No passion, no commitment, no fight.

As much as it pains me to say it so short into his tenure, Hodgson is just not up to the task imo. The passion and fight should be instilled by the manager. And a team should reflect it's manager.

He can come up with all the excuses he wants, but the players have quality on paper, but on the field they are playing like a mess. And Roy is at fault for that, it's the managers job to get the best out of his players and organize the team.

It's a sad state of affairs when you go into a home game against Sunderland with no confidence of a win. Against Birmingham the commentators said it right when they said that most of the current Liverpool players are not fit to wear the Red of Liverpool. Unfortunately I don't think Hodgson is either.

I hope he can prove us all wrong.

[Darkon]

Rafa also left Roy with top class Academy. He could have saved £6m and played Shelvey instead.

Then used the £6m and sign a striker.

He could have acted in a better way when we tried to sell Masch. Instead he told one of the interested teams to more or less **** off. That left Barca as the only interested team. Great Roy, just great. A couple of millions more lost because you acted like an idiot. No bidding war.

He could have kept Insua instead of signing Konchesky. £5m more to sign a striker. Now he suddenly got £11m.

Roy only have himself to blame that he couldn't sign a striker, no one else.

are you really sure about that? can you please list the youngsters that have managed to make it through the youth ranks under Rafa?

Don't get me wrong he got a lot of attention on the youth department, but so far the only youngster coming through we sold this summer aka Insua.

Perhaps Shelvey and Pacheco will come through, maybe Ayala and Kelly but so far it is still a question mark.

Carra and Gerrard and the last two persons to come through our youth team and they were raised under Evans and started playing regular under Houllier.

Roy does not have a whole lot to work with in the youth team IMO, some decent prospects but it's also telling that few of them have played many games.

In general Roy has had little to work with, but for me it is not even close to an excuse for the embarrasingly poor football we have played. You could probably count the amount of times we have managed 4+ passes during his reign on one hand. We have gone backwards in style of play and I am not sure he is up to the job.

I hope he soons manages to prove many of us wrong, and he needs to get a chance to do that, but without a change of play I can't see him lasting long.

[alunevans]

To underline my point that 5 games means nothing and tells us nothing here are some results from 1988 (manager: Kenny Dalglish)

10th September, Aston Villa 1 Liverpool 1
17th September, Liverpool 1 Tottenham 1
24th September, Southampton 1 Liverpool 3
1st October, Liverpool 1 Newcastle 2
8th October, Luton 1 Liverpool 0
22nd October, Liverpool 0 Coventry 0
26th October, Notts Forest 2 Liverpool 1

That's the equivalent of 6pts from 7 matches. Clueless? Out of his depth? Or just a sample size that doesn't make any sense to make a judgement on?

[DannyMan2006]

To underline my point that 5 games means nothing and tells us nothing here are some results from 1988 (manager: Kenny Dalglish)

10th September, Aston Villa 1 Liverpool 1
17th September, Liverpool 1 Tottenham 1
24th September, Southampton 1 Liverpool 3
1st October, Liverpool 1 Newcastle 2
8th October, Luton 1 Liverpool 0
22nd October, Liverpool 0 Coventry 0
26th October, Notts Forest 2 Liverpool 1

That's the equivalent of 6pts from 7 matches. Clueless? Out of his depth? Or just a sample size that doesn't make any sense to make a judgement on?

I wonder though if Kenny sat back against those teams though and got bossed in everyone of them?

[the rev leeroy brown]

are you really sure about that? can you please list the youngsters that have managed In general Roy has had little to work with, but for me it is not even close to an excuse for the embarrasingly poor football we have played. You could probably count the amount of times we have managed 4+ passes during his reign on one hand. We have gone backwards in style of play and I am not sure he is up to the job.

I hope he soons manages to prove many of us wrong, and he needs to get a chance to do that, but without a change of play I can't see him lasting long.

seriously?

we have been passing a hell of a lot better under roy. its been pleasing to see one touch football and midfielders wanting to get on the ball for a change. our style ( espoecially the stuff we play 442 - bar the citeh game ) has been much improved considering the negative football under rafa. we are miles away from being a finished product but the signs are good.

[alunevans]

I wonder though if Kenny sat back against those teams though and got bossed in everyone of them?

dunno but he only won 1 in 7.

just pointing out that such a sample size is statistically insignificant and any manager can point to a run of games where you play crap and/or get nothing from a small run of games.

as such, any decisions based on this sample are pretty groundless.

[DannyMan2006]

seriously?

we have been passing a hell of a lot better under roy. its been pleasing to see one touch football and midfielders wanting to get on the ball for a change. our style ( espoecially the stuff we play 442 - bar the citeh game ) has been much improved considering the negative football under rafa. we are miles away from being a finished product but the signs are good.

You're watching different games to me. You must be.

[the rev leeroy brown]

This is one of the most uninspiring Liverpool teams I have ever seen. No passion, no commitment, no fight.

As much as it pains me to say it so short into his tenure, Hodgson is just not up to the task imo. The passion and fight should be instilled by the manager. And a team should reflect it's manager.

He can come up with all the excuses he wants, but the players have quality on paper, but on the field they are playing like a mess. And Roy is at fault for that, it's the managers job to get the best out of his players and organize the team.

It's a sad state of affairs when you go into a home game against Sunderland with no confidence of a win. Against Birmingham the commentators said it right when they said that most of the current Liverpool players are not fit to wear the Red of Liverpool. Unfortunately I don't think Hodgson is either.

I hope he can prove us all wrong.

a lot of our players are not fit to wear the jersey true enough but thats not roys fault he has been left with a squad who have no passion etc... with what he has got he is doing the best he can. at least they are showing more bottle to come back from goals down than we did under rafa. there was nothing in any of the players last year.

[Shaggy]

seriously?

we have been passing a hell of a lot better under roy. its been pleasing to see one touch football and midfielders wanting to get on the ball for a change. our style ( espoecially the stuff we play 442 - bar the citeh game ) has been much improved considering the negative football under rafa. we are miles away from being a finished product but the signs are good.

This has to be a joke, right?

[Reece]

seriously?

we have been passing a hell of a lot better under roy. its been pleasing to see one touch football and midfielders wanting to get on the ball for a change. our style ( espoecially the stuff we play 442 - bar the citeh game ) has been much improved considering the negative football under rafa.

I can't agree with any of that. Our passing has been worse in my opinion, and I think we've been a lot more negative than we ever were under Rafa (particularly against the likes of West Brom, who we'd regularly thrash during his time here).