Is Hodgson the right man for LFC

[DannyMan2006]

True but yez are going way over the top about it, surely you can wait a few more games and then we can all get a better assessment of his position, going on and on about it is just causing bickering and arguments.

Is it not a logical thing to say right, give him the next 4 games and see how they pan out, with them being apparent winnable games,oppostion having tough games and our players surely bedded in by then, there are no excuses then and only then IMO we can talk about Roy's position?

If we fail in the next 4 games we are likely out the race for 4th place already. I still think we can get the results myself, but that would still not make me change my mind on him.

As soon as we get new owners in we need a better manager.

[Dalglish]

To underline my point that 5 games means nothing and tells us nothing here are some results from 1988 (manager: Kenny Dalglish)

10th September, Aston Villa 1 Liverpool 1
17th September, Liverpool 1 Tottenham 1
24th September, Southampton 1 Liverpool 3
1st October, Liverpool 1 Newcastle 2
8th October, Luton 1 Liverpool 0
22nd October, Liverpool 0 Coventry 0
26th October, Notts Forest 2 Liverpool 1

That's the equivalent of 6pts from 7 matches. Clueless? Out of his depth? Or just a sample size that doesn't make any sense to make a judgement on?

His record immediately prior to and post those figures shows those games were a blip really though doesnt it? I mean, Hodgson's neither coming off winning the double or on the verge of one of the most exciting attackign teams we've put out is he?

[Shaggy]

I personally want him gone now

However I feel its critical that after these next 4 league games if he hasnt got at least 9 points we have to address his position

There can be no dilly-dallying then

Well most of us agreed, pre-Sunderland, it was 5 games. 5 winnable games, 15 points was needed, with a minimum of 13 points (four wins and a draw).

We fell at the first hurdle as we couldn't manage to beat Sunderland at home.

So IMO we need to win the next four for Roy to relieve the pressure. Problem is I see us losing at Everton and losing at Bolton.

[danperkins]

I personally want him gone now

However I feel its critical that after these next 4 league games if he hasnt got at least 9 points we have to address his position

There can be no dilly-dallying then

4 games for Roy and then take it from there IMO, there will be no messing around at that stage if we are still playing ****

[danperkins]

If we fail in the next 4 games we are likely out the race for 4th place already. I still think we can get the results myself, but that would still not make me change my mind on him.

As soon as we get new owners in we need a better manager.

We all know Roy is just a stop gap until this embarrassing stain which is the current owners are gone and new ones come in.

If new owners come in, Roy won't be here next season regardless IMO.

[saj]

It may not be the Liverpool way but Roy needs to be sacked ASAP. IMO, the reason I say this is not becuase of where we are in the table, but more to do with the knock on effect it's having on the players. They seem disgruntled with his terrible tactics and I can see certain big player wanting to leave in January. Even the Fulham players are all coming out now and saying how turd a manager he was.

[Redspin]

I wonder though if Kenny sat back against those teams though and got bossed in everyone of them?

I was at a lot of those games and we were mostly very poor. Unfortunately Dalglish often had some weird Hodgson-esque tactical ideas, like playing three centre-backs in away games and we usually surrendered the midfield in such games because of this. I never understood why he liked to play Molby at CB in a three CB line-up when he was our most stylish midfielder.

[alunevans]

Best post on this truly ridiculous thread.

I agreed with him too, but naturally I thought my posts were better

[Redspin]

seriously?

we have been passing a hell of a lot better under roy. its been pleasing to see one touch football and midfielders wanting to get on the ball for a change. our style ( espoecially the stuff we play 442 - bar the citeh game ) has been much improved considering the negative football under rafa. we are miles away from being a finished product but the signs are good.

Rafa's "negative" football resulted in us being top premier league scorers the season before last and scoring more than any European club in all competitions the previous year.

Under Hodgson we look clueless and the passing has been ****e with our midfield being a yawning chasm between the back four and the striker. I don't now what games you've been watching. And how many goals has this lovely Hodgson football got us so far? Precisely 6 in 6 games - one of which was a penalty. Hardly a ringing endorsement of his style of play, which is the worst I've seen in 45 years of going to watch Liverpool - the worst by several light years. We look like Stoke on a bad day.

[Redspin]

i know mate, but whether it's results, or performances, or anything else you want to assess, it's statistically unsound to base it on a sample size so small.

Well my statistical assessment is that in 100% of games we've been 99% ****.

[Roboklopp]

But again this doesnt take into account the performances

The performances AND results have been ****ing shocking

In fact they have been ****ing dire

I keep saying the results wouldnt matter too much if we were seeing something to cling to

That was Roys best team on Saturday (I'd argue that agger should have been at centrehalf but ok)

Even then he sticks with 4-4-2 and plays Meireles wide right in that

FFS its not just one thing that is making peoples mind up about Hodgson its signings such as Konchesky, Poulsen & Jones. Its the poor performances, the poor results, the mystifying tactics, the lack of urgency and passion on the pitch, the stupid ****ing comments from the manager and his seeming trancelike state he goes into during 98% of the match

Apart from that, he's awesome though eh?

If if if if if.

We were a couple of ifs away from winning the league about 16 months ago. A couple of months later lots of people badly wanted the manager sacked, you included, but "ifs" weren't entertained then so I don't see why they should be now.

Exactly. Seems to me the people playing down such things are the same crying about them now.

[alunevans]

You could argue that, yes. I guess the main problem is that had, say, Jose Mourinho taken over people would look to what Jose has done before and would give him the benefit of the doubt that he will get things right.

Problem with Roy is that he hasn't done anything like what we would normally want to see from a potential LFC manager, and as such the performances and results are just confirming peoples worst fears.

Anyhow, Roy should get the backing of the fans (at games) until he leaves the post. I don't see us getting a new manager at least until ownership is resolved so no doubt you'll get your wish for him to stay on and have a proper go at turning things around.

He wasn't my choice at all, but his track record is not of a man who is a disaster zone. If it was then I'd get your point. Instead, it is a track record of being a basically competent manager, and more recently of overperforming with Fulham. He can't be judged on 5,6, or 7 games no matter what it is you're assessing - whether that be performances, results or whatever.

[Fredo]

Well my statistical assessment is that in 100% of games we've been 99% ****.

[danperkins]

If we fail in the next 4 games we are likely out the race for 4th place already. I still think we can get the results myself, but that would still not make me change my mind on him.

As soon as we get new owners in we need a better manager.

We won't fail horribly in next 4 games but the way we are playing there every chance we could conceivably cock up some what for sure. We'll still be in race for 4th place after these games IMO. Other teams have tough games and fixture lists too.

And i have doubts a new man will come in with new owners

[Redspin]

Arsenal had other chances, had they scored earlier they could have been expected to push for the win since we had ten. Agger was off side, linesman had his flag up and wouldn't have counted anyway.

Then there is the West Brom game, they deserved at least a draw and had numerous chances to take the lead. Had they done so, would we have come back?

Against Birmingham they had three great chances to score, heroic saves by Reina saved the day there.

So whilst we've been unlucky at times, we've also had our own fair share of luck.

Arsenal had **** all chances. They had two free-kicks from distance on target, one in each half, but their first chance in open play didn't come until the 86th minute when Reina tipped over Rosicky's effort. You should try to watch the actual games