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    Originally posted by danperkins View Post
    these are facts, his failed transfer over past few seasons are clear evidence of that.

    Rafa made his position untenable, with off the field politics, bad management and poor decisions in the transfer market, people seem to be forgetting this. Roy has thus far has not been dissimilar, bad management and some bad buys to an already weak squad and one lacking in confidence = recipe for disaster.
    To quote an article today

    For finishing seventh last season, blame Benitez. For bobbing about in the relegation zone, blame Hodgson. This isn’t politics, you can’t blame everything on the previous administration. Liverpool need to face up to the real reasons for their failure.
    Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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      Originally posted by danperkins View Post

      Roy deserved a chance, he has got it and has failed. We were ****ing ****e last season, miserable dross, bad tactics, formations, team selections and same lame excuses in interviews everytime we played bad or lost. Roy is doing exactly the same thus far.
      Well i'd much rather rafa's '****ing ****e, miserable dross, bad tactics, formations, team selections and excuses' that get us 7th, than Roy's which have put us in a relegation battle.

      Which part of '7th and 19th are not the same' do you not get?

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        Originally posted by Bulld0g View Post
        Do you disagree he left a weak squad , Do you think he left a strong squad ?
        I actually think the truth lies somewhere in between the two

        That may seem a kop out but its not

        I actually dont think it was as bad as the media and some on here are suggesting

        I think the current manager is making so many fundamental errors that it is to the detriment of the current personnel at our club
        Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
          FFS Dan, try saying something new once every thousand posts or so. It's getting really tedious reading the same thing over and over again in all the most active threads in the LFC forum.
          mate hard to say new things when people keep harping on about everyone else mate.

          If there is debate about a particular topic or a rehashed topic, the same opinions are going to be said time and time again, so lets not just highlight myself, thats being selective and tad bit biased. Haven't you noticed that 99.9% of the threads are negative thread either about Roy/Rafa, everyone is saying the same things.

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            Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
            Well i'd much rather rafa's '****ing ****e, miserable dross, bad tactics, formations, team selections and excuses' that get us 7th, than Roy's which have put us in a relegation battle.

            Which part of '7th and 19th are not the same' do you not get?
            I'd rather neither Craig.

            If Roy stays on there is no way on gods green earth are we gonna finish 19th, there's 8 games gone. Rafa is gone and i'm glad, Roy was a mistake to appoint, we need something else.

            P.S. I best be careful i might get accused of talking about the same old things time after time

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              Originally posted by Lecter View Post
              To quote an article today

              For finishing seventh last season, blame Benitez. For bobbing about in the relegation zone, blame Hodgson. This isn’t politics, you can’t blame everything on the previous administration. Liverpool need to face up to the real reasons for their failure.
              Yup i wouldn't disagree with this as such mate and we do need to face up to the real reasons, part of it lie with Rafa, part lie with Roy. Rafa is gone and Roy is the manager so Hodsgon must take responsibility, no question

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                Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                Rafa's position was untenable mate, Kenny should have been the man next up. Put him in now as he is a ready made replacement and would be delighted to step in. Give him a run and take it from there.
                You still should not sack anyone if you do not have a better replacement already lined up

                Look at how the incompetent Parry dealt with Houllier.

                We started negotiating with Rafa in MARCH, we sacked Houllier in May

                That care was not taken with Rafa's replacement
                Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                  Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                  I'd rather neither Craig.

                  If Roy stays on there is no way on gods green earth are we gonna finish 19th, there's 8 games gone. Rafa is gone and i'm glad, Roy was a mistake to appoint, we need something else.

                  P.S. I best be careful i might get accused of talking about the same old things time after time
                  The point is, rafa's poor season last year was the exception to the rule. Rafa's 'rule' is success.

                  Where is roy's 'good season' exception to the rule, where he won something at the highest level? There isnt one. Roy's 'rule' is one where midtable is seen as success.

                  I was highly critical of Rafa before he went, but in hindsight, that was borne out of a level of expectation where if things werent perfect, they werent good enough. If we didnt challenge for the title, we were unhappy. 7th wasnt good enough, granted, but it still remains the one exception to the rule.

                  I never remember having such high expectations before Rafa and i certainly dont have them now. Clearly then, Rafa was a victim of his own success and paid the price for getting LFC so good, that people were 'expecting' perfection.

                  If Roy stays on there is no way on gods green earth are we gonna finish 19th
                  I agree, there's no way we'd manage to scale such dizzy heights under Roy. It'd be 20th.

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                    Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                    Yup i wouldn't disagree with this as such mate and we do need to face up to the real reasons, part of it lie with Rafa, part lie with Roy. Rafa is gone and Roy is the manager so Hodsgon must take responsibility, no question
                    I dont think any of this lies with Rafa and thats what that senetence says blaiming it on the old regime has no place in football only politics
                    Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                      Originally posted by BigChief View Post
                      I certainly would NOT like to see Rafa given the money we're going to get soon. He went because he didn't win us the league in 6 years. Simples. And he had a damn sight more money than we tend to hide under the carpet.

                      Now our owners are sorted out, we can go for a better manager than Rafa or Hodgson. My personal favourites would be Hiddink or Pellegrini.

                      One of the biggest examples of muppetry I have ever read on the forum.

                      Simples.

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                        Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                        You still should not sack anyone if you do not have a better replacement already lined up

                        Look at how the incompetent Parry dealt with Houllier.

                        We started negotiating with Rafa in MARCH, we sacked Houllier in May

                        That care was not taken with Rafa's replacement
                        For our group of players and the way we were playing lasy season, we needed motivation and an improvement man management. IMO Kenny was the man the give us that boost. The board decided against that

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                          Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                          I dont think any of this lies with Rafa and thats what that senetence says blaiming it on the old regime has no place in football only politics
                          Course you don't mate because your a Rafa fan, i'm a Rafa nor Roy fan so i can take a step back. The truth is in the signings Rafa made on why we have such a poor squad, there is no denying this Lec.

                          And Roy is the reason we are in 19th position, there is no denying this either IMO.

                          Somewhere in between indeed.

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                            Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                            The point is, rafa's poor season last year was the exception to the rule. Rafa's 'rule' is success.

                            Where is roy's 'good season' exception to the rule, where he won something at the highest level? There isnt one. Roy's 'rule' is one where midtable is seen as success.

                            I was highly critical of Rafa before he went, but in hindsight, that was borne out of a level of expectation where if things werent perfect, they werent good enough. If we didnt challenge for the title, we were unhappy. 7th wasnt good enough, granted, but it still remains the one exception to the rule.

                            I never remember having such high expectations before Rafa and i certainly dont have them now. Clearly then, Rafa was a victim of his own success and paid the price for getting LFC so good, that people were 'expecting' perfection.



                            I agree, there's no way we'd manage to scale such dizzy heights under Roy. It'd be 20th.
                            I didn't want Roy so thats neither here nor there for me, IMO i felt our current group of players needed a more man management style of focus which Rafa certainly didn't have and which Roy "never" had. I wanted Kenny, i thought his legendary status would command respect and would be a boost and his down to earth approach would have been bread and butter for certain players. This never materialized.

                            I too was critical of Rafa but his position was untenable and Rafa was the victim of his own poor business in the transfer market in recent seasons and his team underperforming throughout an entire season, he had to go just a mistake Roy came in after him is all.

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                              Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                              Course you don't mate because your a Rafa fan, i'm a Rafa nor Roy fan so i can take a step back. The truth is in the signings Rafa made on why we have such a poor squad, there is no denying this Lec.

                              And Roy is the reason we are in 19th position, there is no denying this either IMO.

                              Somewhere in between indeed.
                              FLMAO

                              You can take a step back because you arent a Rafa fan

                              FLMAO

                              You hated Rafa so your opinion regarding Rafa is about as worthless as mine

                              ****ing justifying yourself like that is hilarious
                              Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                                Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                                I didn't want Roy so thats neither here nor there for me, IMO i felt our current group of players needed a more man management style of focus which Rafa certainly didn't have and which Roy "never" had. I wanted Kenny, i thought his legendary status would command respect and would be a boost and his down to earth approach would have been bread and butter for certain players. This never materialized.

                                I too was critical of Rafa but his position was untenable and Rafa was the victim of his own poor business in the transfer market in recent seasons and his team underperforming throughout an entire season, he had to go just a mistake Roy came in after him is all.
                                How many more times?



                                By the way LDP, does your mum know you're exceeding your screen time limit?
                                .
                                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                                May the Lord bless this post.

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