Pacheco

[Resu]

So to summarise Arn, your criticism of Wenger is that he hasn't got Fabregas injured in the right ways at the right times.

Is there a way of playing a youngster that ensures that they do get the right injuries?

But you don`t have to get them injured.
Just let them get sent of towards the end of games, and they`ll get rest without being injured.

[The Birdman]

Its not just about how much they play at an early age but how fit they are in those appearances and the recovery time inbetween.

Fabregas is struggling this season because Wenger is risking him when he is less than 100% fit because he clearly doesn't have faith in his other alternatives and that is causing him recurring fatigue injuries.

Just like we have risked Gerrard and Torres in previous seasons and had them break down time and time again.

[dww]

Its not just about how much they play at an early age but how fit they are in those appearances and the recovery time inbetween.

Fabregas is struggling this season because Wenger is risking him when he is less than 100% fit because he clearly doesn't have faith in his other alternatives and that is causing him recurring fatigue injuries.

Just like we have risked Gerrard and Torres in previous seasons and had them break down time and time again.

I agree in the sense that I think this criticism of playing injured players is a general one and applies at any age. It is clearly unhelpful to the individuals concerned irrelevant of the impact or otherwise on the team.

I'm still not really sure that there is a big difference in playing career length or quality for players who play games when young. Or more accurately while I can see the logic of the argument I don't see much evidence that supports the idea that it actually makes a significant difference in the real world.

[The Birdman]

I agree in the sense that I think this criticism of playing injured players is a general one and applies at any age. It is clearly unhelpful to the individuals concerned irrelevant of the impact or otherwise on the team.

I'm still not really sure that there is a big difference in playing career length or quality for players who play games when young. Or more accurately while I can see the logic of the argument I don't see much evidence that supports the idea that it actually makes a significant difference in the real world.

To use Owen as an example he clearly suffered because Houllier hurried him back all the time so he kept breaking down.
Didn't the club doc (Waller??) resign or get fired because he advised Houllier not to play him then after Owen played and got injured again Houllier blamed the doc??

Owen was someone who relied on pace so regular hamstring injuries were always going to shortern his career at a top level.
That was recurring fatigue injuries.

Fowler was just plain unlucky because his ankle and knee injuries were impact injuries but robbed him of the sharpness than made him world class

Fabregas doesn't rely on pace but his injuries are because of non stop football and being rushed back.

My personal opinion with Fabregas is Wenger must feel under pressure because previously he hasn't played unfit or players returning from injury until they are ready (Van Persie for example) this season he has twice rushed Fabregas and twice he has got injured again and for the so called 'professor of football' that isn't a very smart or logical move.

Giggs had regular hamstring problems until they traced it to the position of his car seat and the type of car he drove, once they sorted that out he has been comparitively injury free.
In Giggs' case though if memory serves he was 'injured' practically everytime Wales had a game, certainly the friendlies so that was just Ferguson's way of resting and protecting him.

Rest and recovery is more important than the amount of games at an early age

[dww]

To use Owen as an example he clearly suffered because Houllier hurried him back all the time so he kept breaking down.
Didn't the club doc (Waller??) resign or get fired because he advised Houllier not to play him then after Owen played and got injured again Houllier blamed the doc??

Owen was someone who relied on pace so regular hamstring injuries were always going to shortern his career at a top level.
That was recurring fatigue injuries.

Fowler was just plain unlucky because his ankle and knee injuries were impact injuries but robbed him of the sharpness than made him world class

Fabregas doesn't rely on pace but his injuries are because of non stop football and being rushed back.

My personal opinion with Fabregas is Wenger must feel under pressure because previously he hasn't played unfit or players returning from injury until they are ready (Van Persie for example) this season he has twice rushed Fabregas and twice he has got injured again and for the so called 'professor of football' that isn't a very smart or logical move.

Giggs had regular hamstring problems until they traced it to the position of his car seat and the type of car he drove, once they sorted that out he has been comparitively injury free.
In Giggs' case though if memory serves he was 'injured' practically everytime Wales had a game, certainly the friendlies so that was just Ferguson's way of resting and protecting him.

Rest and recovery is more important than the amount of games at an early age

Interesting comments related to the Fabregas/Owen comparison from Wenger reported at http://arseblog.com/

[banditos]

From the offal.

Roy Hodgson has dismissed press speculation about Daniel Pacheco by insisting the Spaniard has a long-term future at the club.

The 19-year-old has featured five times so far this season, adding to the seven appearances he tallied in his first three years at Anfield.

He has not played since our League Cup exit to Northampton at the end of September but could make a comeback in the Europa League against Steaua Bucharest next Thursday following a superb goal for the reserves versus Everton in midweek.

Responding to newspaper stories suggesting Pacheco could be sold in January, Hodgson said: "He's been doing quite well. He had a little down period which I suppose coincided with the unfortunate Northampton game, when every one of the young players was thrown in together.

"He stuck at his task and in training he's been doing very well. In the last couple of reserve games he's played very well too. It's nice to know he's still very much a part of the Liverpool future.

[Craig_H]

You don't know much about football and injuries do you? You should be married to a foot specialist like I'm, then you would be told how dangerous it is to play a player to much to early.

WTF **** are you on about Arn?

I was laughing at how desperately Nigel turns every post into a Benitez one. That was all.

You big daft plonker

[Fredo]

I was laughing at how desperately Nigel turns every post into a Benitez one. That was all.

I was merely replying to V, that is all. :bird:

[The Birdman]

Interesting comments related to the Fabregas/Owen comparison from Wenger reported at http://arseblog.com/

So this bit yeah? -
What is remarkable in Cesc’s case – usually people who are exposed to hamstring injuries are sprinters like Owen or Ryan Giggs but Cesc is more a stamina player and that’s what puzzles me a little bit. We have analysed his body and it is not fatigued and he is not tired

Interesting, the hamstring doesn't go for no reason, he either has a weakness there or the muscle/s are tired.
Even Wenger can't deny science

[Arn]

I have a friend that had a hamstring problem for years. He then had one of his teeth removed and the problem disappeared.

Only shows that problems like that is a very difficult thing to find out what is really causing the problem.

[dom9]

I have a friend that had a hamstring problem for years. He then had one of his teeth removed and the problem disappeared.

Only shows that problems like that is a very difficult thing to find out what is really causing the problem.

WTF?

[Fredo]

[Mostar]

I have a friend that had a hamstring problem for years. He then had one of his teeth removed and the problem disappeared.

Only shows that problems like that is a very difficult thing to find out what is really causing the problem.

[danperkins]

I have a friend that had a hamstring problem for years. He then had one of his teeth removed and the problem disappeared.

Only shows that problems like that is a very difficult thing to find out what is really causing the problem.

phenomenal post

[dww]

I have a friend that had a hamstring problem for years. He then had one of his teeth removed and the problem disappeared.

Only shows that problems like that is a very difficult thing to find out what is really causing the problem.

WTF?

Oddly enough I have heard of similar things quite a lot. Not sure what the explanation is (i.e. whether it is psychological or related to some sort of change in the way people carry themselves or eat or something when in pain) or whether it is just bollocks.

Obviously it does sound a bit mental though.