Aquilani - stay or go?

[dom9]

Hes already agreed to waive his rights to compensation etc... apparently

So effectively, he has put in an official a transfer request, if your sources are correct.

[Tee]

This goes against Kennys belief system

He only wants players who WANT to be here and WANT to play for the club.

Whilst that doesnt mean we will give him away for "nothing" I expect a compromise deal to be worked out to the "satisfaction" of all parties*

* except maybe some of the fans on this forum

Fair enough.

However, I think all the fans are used to seeing the club getting shafted on transfers, both in and out, so doubt that we are ever satisfied with how the club goes about its business.

[kris90210]

This goes against Kennys belief system

He only wants players who WANT to be here and WANT to play for the club.

Whilst that doesnt mean we will give him away for "nothing" I expect a compromise deal to be worked out to the "satisfaction" of all parties*

* except maybe some of the fans on this forum

As far as I can tell, we're the ones doing ALL the compromising here. Of course we should only want players who want to play for the club. This goes without saying, and you won't find a single person on here who thinks otherwise. But it's also important to show that we're no mugs.

Pandering to Aquilani to the extent where we let him go for a song would send out the wrong message. On top of that we're seriously getting a reputation as a club who overpays for players. It's not ideal is it.

If a club comes in with a fair offer for him, fine. Even a bit below fair... 6 million euros is taking the piss.

[Mostar]

I know the quality we have faced hasnt been the best but if some of you cant see the guys skill and composure on the ball you havent got a clue about football.

If I was Kenny i would be pulling out all the stops to try and keep him and ship some of the other ****e out. A settled in and confident aquilani would be a force in our team.

The horrible thing is i think hes just had enough of the messing around and wants to go back to italy.

Which just adds to the frustration of this whole saga.

Only exciting player we have with the exception of Suarez (Stevie's injured) that I cannot wait to see what he'll do next on the pitch.

[Mostar]

As far as I can tell, we're the ones doing ALL the compromising here. Of course we should only want players who want to play for the club. This goes without saying, and you won't find a single person on here who thinks otherwise. But it's also important to show that we're no mugs.

Pandering to Aquilani to the extent where we let him go for a song would send out the wrong message. On top of that we're seriously getting a reputation as a club who overpays for players. It's not ideal is it.

If a club comes in with a fair offer for him, fine. Even a bit below fair... 6 million euros is taking the piss.

[Lecter]

As far as I can tell, we're the ones doing ALL the compromising here. Of course we should only want players who want to play for the club. This goes without saying, and you won't find a single person on here who thinks otherwise. But it's also important to show that we're no mugs.

Pandering to Aquilani to the extent where we let him go for a song would send out the wrong message. On top of that we're seriously getting a reputation as a club who overpays for players. It's not ideal is it.

If a club comes in with a fair offer for him, fine. Even a bit below fair... 6 million euros is taking the piss.

The counter argument that the suits will give to you is we are paying £4 million in wages a year to Aquilani so taking a lowish fee plus losing his wage will give £X million benefit to the club financially

That said I do think €6 million is too low, I still think Fiorentina €9 million plus €900k loan fee (plus his wages off our books) represented good value all be it a gamble as you didnt know whether it would be permanent or not

I think the club has a major problem at the moment (imo) the wage bill is massively out of kilter

We have players on our books on high wages who we want to shift (to bring in others) and they are going to be extremely difficult to shift

I'm not saying that has any bearing on us wanting to sell Aquilani but it might influence the suits a bit to accept a lower deal

[McDermotX]

I think there is legal bobbins around this sometimes.

For example, if a club sells a player against his wishes (i.e. he hasn't formally requested to leave so they are in effect terminating his contract) , they may have to pay up the rest of his contract.

If he states in writing that he wants to leave, he may waive that right.

I guess it varies from contract to contract, and may be one reason why transfers appear to take so long. Both in negotiating your way out of one club, and into the next.

Something like that.....signing on fee comes into it as well I believe, loses so much of that towards his old club.
Regardless of whether Alberto may or may not have waived the right, in a ruling way, he hasn't until the transfer request goes in, so he could fight any agreement if he wanted to be a prick about it,

[dom9]

Depends if he's already put the request in writing doesn't it.

I'm pretty sure that transfer requests are more than:

Dear Mr Manager

I don't like being here any more so please let me leave. Pleeeaaase?

Love
Mr Dopey Footballer

More probably they would acknowledge particular clauses in their contracts pertaining to transfer requests and such like.

[Lecter]

Something like that.....signing on fee comes into it as well I believe, loses so much of that towards his old club.
Regardless of whether Alberto may or may not have waived the right, in a ruling way, he hasn't until the transfer request goes in, so he could fight any agreement if he wanted to be a prick about it,

You dont have to issue a formal transfer request to do that

A formal transfer request is an acrimonious expression of disatisfaction

IE if the club wanted to make it public that Aquilani wants out or Aquilani wanted to make it public he wants out

It appears the club have sat down and resolved their issues amicably and come to some agreement (I'd imagine its in writing)

I must say I've been quite impressed with the manner Aquilani has gone about things so far, maybe that will change if frustration sets it

[Mostar]

Another delusional writer. See fans comments after the article..

@aravindvh
Liverpool’s Sad Treatment of Aquilani http://t.co/AzSK5rO

http://soccerlens.com/fans/liverpools-sad-treatment-of-aquilani/

Liverpool’s Sad Treatment of Aquilani

Many fans argue that Aquilani has not got the passion for the club and wants to leave. Here is the answer to everyone.

To question his real passion for Liverpool after what he has been through would be a serious injustice. While he often talked about his desire of scoring in front of the Kop; Aquilani’s actions would speak louder than any words when he struck a brilliant goal from Benayoun’s ball versus Atletico Madrid in Europa League semis in 2010.

Momentarily stunned after his tie-leveling strike, he stumbled and looked back at Gerrard before tearing to the corner flag screaming his lungs out with the ecstatic Stevie G rushing to embrace him. The tears of joy that fell from Aquilani’s face as his team-mates celebrated with him will surely be remembered by the Kop. Such uncontrolled happiness is not borne of mere monetary hunger.

Returning to Liverpool this summer after a year during which his continuous refrain was that he would be happy to return to Anfield once his loan spell with Juventus completed, Aquilani has had to come face-to-face with the new owner of his jersey, Raul Meireles. For any footballer, losing a jersey number is a massive slap on his face.

Witnessing new signings Jordan Henderson and Charlie Adam being praised by club management and mind says that a manager always prefers his own signings. Both signings assigned squad numbers while Aquilani got whichever spare jersey is available can’t be pleasant for the man who swallowed his pride and publicly stated that he returned to Anfield “with great enthusiasm“.

Add hostile fans calling the “disloyal foreigner” to be shipped out into the picture, and you understand the difficulty he finds himself in.

The club’s pre-season form has been shaky, but the one constant has been the sheer class of Aquilani. The Little Prince adds so many arrows to the Liverpool quiver, and has arguably been the best player in every match thus far. Against Valarenga his value was confirmed when he instigated a comeback and saved Liverpool and brought KING some serious blushes. He was given mere 10 minutes on the field and still was the Man of the Match on the day.

Still Kenny Dalgish did not even mention his contribution at all. When he pulled the strings against Guangdong and the Malaysia XI, Dalglish and Steve Clarke instead singled out Charlie Adam for praise, who had reasonable games on both occasions, but came nowhere near matching Aquilani’s brilliance on the field. Again against Valarenga, not even a match-saving cameo can provoke appreciate public pat on the back from his boss.

If ever there was a blueprint to making a player feels completely unwelcome, Liverpool’s treatment of Aquilani would be it.

Kenny is a fantastic manager and a person but his snubbing of Aquilani is baffling. The Liverpool supporters are hungry to win after disappointing campaigns and Aquilani is believed to be a brilliant asset for the reds.

I am desperate for Aquilani to stay and so are many other fans. I hope he plays against Sunderland and shows his class. I want the fans to not just support him online but those living in Liverpool should come out for him. He wants to represent his nation at the Euros, I will not blame him if he wants to leave as after such shabby treatment no one gets very excited knowing he is unwanted. I have poured my heart out and now just hoping perhaps against hope that Aquilani will be a “red” next season.

[RedSince1964]

If that is the case we need to make it clear - we value you at X, if no bid coming in at the value we want for you, you're staying and the best thing you can do is play your socks off until January to help ensure the move happens then. Basically put it on him to show he's worth someone coming in and buying him, we need to continue doing what is right for the club - if players such as Aqualani don't like it well tough, I'm sure he'll console himself with his wages!

[Lecter]

Depends if he's already put the request in writing doesn't it.

I'm pretty sure that transfer requests are more than:

Dear Mr Manager

I don't like being here any more so please let me leave. Pleeeaaase?

Love
Mr Dopey Footballer

More probably they would acknowledge particular clauses in their contracts pertaining to transfer requests and such like.

I'd imagine Aquilani's agreement with the club would be more along the lines of

"I will agree to waive my contractual rights under whatever paragraph, provided you agree to the transfer of my registration at €X million or a loan agreement giving €X K loan fee blah blah blah"

[Chrono]

What I'd like to know is what sort of retarded agreement did we come to last time where a fee is agreed at the end of his loaning but they can choose not to sign him. Why loan him last time knowing they could **** us over and not pay the price and then loan him a second time forcing them to pay. If a club agrees to a forced purchase after loan then why not just pay the 6m euros now.

This really is a pathetic saga and that fee is a complete insult. It's rare that I agree with Arn but he shouldn't leave for that amount of money, this isn't our fault it's the fault of all these Italian clubs that want to piss around instead of agreeing a suitable fee which is something he should be more offended by than the way we have behaved.

[Lecter]

See fans comments after the article..

Lecter
The players wants to leave

He HATES living in the UK and wants to return to Italy

August 2nd, 2011 @ 14:16

[kris90210]

The counter argument that the suits will give to you is we are paying £4 million in wages a year to Aquilani so taking a lowish fee plus losing his wage will give £X million benefit to the club financially

That said I do think €6 million is too low, I still think Fiorentina €9 million plus €900k loan fee (plus his wages off our books) represented good value all be it a gamble as you didnt know whether it would be permanent or not

I think the club has a major problem at the moment (imo) the wage bill is massively out of kilter

We have players on our books on high wages who we want to shift (to bring in others) and they are going to be extremely difficult to shift

I'm not saying that has any bearing on us wanting to sell Aquilani but it might influence the suits a bit to accept a lower deal

I do appreciate that point. It's about striking a balance to reach value. If we get a reasonable deal for him, and if he does indeed want to go, then fine. I think most of us can accept that. It's a bloody shame though, because I think he's a talented player.