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    #3091
    Originally posted by Havors View Post
    They wont have a jury for this haha! imagine! a jury to deliver a verdict of when someone called someone a black *******.... i hope thats not the world we are heading towards...
    Is this a summary offence where the defendant has no right to request a jury trial?

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      #3092
      Originally posted by Maxiedge View Post
      Regarding the board, I read somewhere that we had the right to ask for the committee to change personnel but we chose not to. If it's true, then going down that path is a waste of time.

      Saying that, we weren't expecting sucha one-sided outcome.
      Doesn't having a right of veto over the panel only basically say that we accept that the members of the panel are impartial. That doesn't mean that the process was unbiased or was free of an agenda. It reminds me of this quote from Yes Minister when they were discussing impartial inquires: "Railway trains are impartial too, but if you lay down the lines for them that's the way they go."
      The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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        #3093
        Originally posted by ChesterDave View Post
        McGarry response to Liverpool fans complaints.

        So basically we should shut up and accept his crap opinion or we dont support free speach and tolerate discrimination like those foreigners do...
        This cunt must think unaccountable 3-man panels of ex-football mangers and FA manderins doling out verdicts is 'good justice'.

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          #3094
          Originally posted by ashey View Post
          That's seriously ****ed up & wrong!
          Indeed. London - home of the guilds, the freemasons and any other ****ed up old boys network you could imagine. World-wide epicentre. There's a reason the UK is not in the Euro. But the UK is completely ****ed.

          http://www.commodityonline.com/news/...44519-3-1.html

          Anyways, enough off-topic stuff. Can't be bothered. What I do know and I'll guarantee you it: Cosmos will take care of it . When the day comes, you'll know.

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            #3095
            Originally posted by dom9 View Post
            My thoughts:

            I don't think we should be looking to compare the Terry case with the Suarez case. Each has its own individual circumstances and should be judged as such. For example, the defence and circumstances of each is different. Terry says that his comments are taken out of context as it was used in a wider context 'I didn't call you a ....'. Suarez' defence rested on the nuances of culture and language, and the fact that he himself was provoked in a manner relating to his background.

            Whilst both cases relate to racism they are not linked. However, our beef with the punishment dished out to Suarez is that the individual circumstances were not taken into account and that the punishment appears to be linked to a wider poilitical issue.

            The second point is this link to corruption which a few of you are making, albeit probably in frustration, to Manchester United and Ferguson. I find it frankly absurd that the Mancs have the FA in their pocket. It is simply a conspiracy too far. They have been punished plenty of times.

            As I have stated above, I believe the scale of the punishment is political, and not due to corruption.

            Feel free to rip me apart.
            The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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              #3096
              Originally posted by dom9 View Post
              My thoughts:

              I don't think we should be looking to compare the Terry case with the Suarez case. Each has its own individual circumstances and should be judged as such. For example, the defence and circumstances of each is different. Terry says that his comments are taken out of context as it was used in a wider context 'I didn't call you a ....'. Suarez' defence rested on the nuances of culture and language, and the fact that he himself was provoked in a manner relating to his background.

              Whilst both cases relate to racism they are not linked. However, our beef with the punishment dished out to Suarez is that the individual circumstances were not taken into account and that the punishment appears to be linked to a wider poilitical issue.

              The second point is this link to corruption which a few of you are making, albeit probably in frustration, to Manchester United and Ferguson. I find it frankly absurd that the Mancs have the FA in their pocket. It is simply a conspiracy too far. They have been punished plenty of times.

              As I have stated above, I believe the scale of the punishment is political, and not due to corruption.

              Feel free to rip me apart.
              It's the procedure that poeple are moaning about. Shaggy has already articulated the point very well:

              Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
              With the burden of proof being much higher in a court of law, how is Terry going to be convicted? It is insane that Terry gets to go through a transparent procedure, with top class legal counsels to defend him.

              Suarez ends up before a randomly selected trio of football people, with no such thing as "beyond reasonable doubt" and no real burden of proof, and he's hung out to dry. How is this fair?
              If the FA are so confident that an offence has been committed then they should report it to the police and let justice take its course before piling on.

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                #3097
                I think it's both mate.
                3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                  #3098
                  Originally posted by BootRoom View Post
                  It's the procedure that poeple are moaning about. Shaggy has already articulated the point very well:



                  If the FA are so confident that an offence has been committed then they should report it to the police and let justice take its course before piling on.
                  Hang on, one case was reported to the police. The other was not. Like it or not that changes everything and rightly so. If there is a criminal investigation ongoing, that is very different to a disciplinary procedure which basically relates to an incident in the workplace.
                  Oh I don't know.

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                    #3099
                    Originally posted by dom9 View Post
                    Hang on, one case was reported to the police. The other was not. Like it or not that changes everything and rightly so. If there is a criminal investigation ongoing, that is very different to a disciplinary procedure which basically relates to an incident in the workplace.
                    Read my post again - I said if the FA are so confident an offence has been commited they should report it to the police themselves. They have conducted a lengthy investigation and 'obtained evidence' so why haven't they made a complaint to the police and passed their evidence along. Then the police can make their enquiries and pass all evidence along to the CPS for consideration. What's wrong with that?

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                      #3100
                      Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
                      I think it's both mate.
                      Yeah, you're right; I just got a bit preoccupied with the diverging paths the cases have taken.

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                        #3101
                        Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                        ???

                        Suarez is getting destroyed by practically every national football journo, ex-players, PFA, 'neutral' fans...it's literally us v everybody else.
                        Very limited pool but everyone in work who normally jumps at the chance to rub my nose in anything football related have all expressed complete shock at this and said it was completely wrong.

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                          #3102
                          Originally posted by Chrono View Post
                          Very limited pool but everyone in work who normally jumps at the chance to rub my nose in anything football related have all expressed complete shock at this and said it was completely wrong.
                          Good to hear. Not encountered one yet, myself.
                          Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                            #3103
                            Originally posted by BootRoom View Post
                            Yeah, you're right; I just got a bit preoccupied with the diverging paths the cases have taken.
                            My post was aimed at The Dom, but it applies to you too.
                            3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                              #3104
                              Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                              Good to hear. Not encountered one yet, myself.
                              Some of the more intelligent Scum & Citeh fans were agreeing with me today, not about the scum bias, but about the political scapegoating aspect.
                              3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                                #3105
                                If the FA are confident that a racist term was used, then should they themselves report it to the police now they have conclused their investigation?

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