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    Anyone seen this from yesterday? I'd seen some of the quotes but not the full article.

    Uruguay unites behind Luis Suárez after 'excessive, absurd' ban

    • Football federation offers legal backing through embassy
    • 'This leaves bad feeling' says national director of sport

    Sid Lowe

    guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 21 December 2011 17.58 GMT
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    "Exaggerated, absurd and out of place." That was the verdict of Uruguay's national director of sport as Luis Suárez's eight-game ban became a matter of state. Players, coaches, media and the government have come out in support of the Liverpool striker, while the national football federation has offered legal backing through the Uruguayan embassy in London. The striker Sebastián Abreu insisted that Suárez has "3 million Uruguayans behind him" and the former international Richard Morales, who is black, insisted: "[Patrice] Evra should not play at being Padre Popelka." Father Ernesto Popelka is a revered former footballer, priest and psychologist.

    "This [ban] leaves a bad feeling," said Ernesto Irureta, the national director of sport. "What is happening in Europe is a product of their [wider] problems, not of what happens between players – and one of those is racism. That reflects a lack of values in society. We have a country with [racial] differences but it is a long way from those in the Old Continent [Europe]. Suárez may act with words or gestures in certain moments but this ban is exaggerated, absurd and out of place."

    Celso Otero, assistant to the Uruguay coach, Oscar Tabárez, described the ban as "excessive" and sought to reassure Suárez that his position with the national team "has not changed in the slightest". The captain, Diego Lugano, said: "I cannot believe it: this is a huge error that is being made. Obviously in England there is a problem with racism and they are trying to eradicate it, which is good, but this [ban] has no solid base. Luis is a victim." The national football association reiterated its "total solidarity and support" for Suárez.

    A failure to allow for different cultural interpretations was at the heart of much of the criticism in a country where one newspaper ran with a huge front-page headline that simply said: "Irrational". Uruguayans do not see the use of "negro" or "negrito" to be offensive at all and Marcelo Tejera, who played for Southampton, bemoaned "a campaign to push [Suárez] out to another league".

    "They [Uruguay and England] are different cultures. For us [what was said] is normal and it doesn't affect you," said Morales. "They're making a drama out of something that for us is entirely natural. But England is totally different. The only thing [Suárez] could have got wrong is not knowing that. And in any case, you have to be sure whether or not [Suárez] actually said it. Evra shouldn't play at being Father Popelka, because he's nothing like him."

    Gustavo Poyet called the ban a "fiasco". Poyet drew parallels between this case and the incident at Stamford Bridge when Evra made accusations of racism against a Chelsea steward. "This is very worrying," he said. "It could happen to me or to anyone tomorrow. I could find myself in a defenceless position based on what just one person claims I have said. [After the Stamford Bridge incident] nothing was proven and no one believed [Evra]. I imagine he's happy now."
    Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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      Suarez's body language shows him to be placid. Difficult to explain it properly in words but his hands upturned show defensiveness.
      Football without Origi is nothing

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        No doubt about it. All the aggression seems to be coming from Evra.
        Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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          Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
          Anyone seen this from yesterday? I'd seen some of the quotes but not the full article.
          Glad to see a few people in papers speaking sense. Fair play to Ian Wright for not jumping on the bandwagon too- gained a lot of respect there.
          3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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            Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
            Glad to see a few people in papers speaking sense. Fair play to Ian Wright for not jumping on the bandwagon too- gained a lot of respect there.
            The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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              Originally posted by Chris View Post
              It's really weird that no one seems to be able to stop and think why we might be against this decision. Do these knobheads really think we'd support someone so openly if we even had a doubt about his innocence?!

              But then again, in a country where the S*n and the Mail sell millions of copies a day its unfortunately not a surprise, so many cant think for themselves.
              Lots of them do understand, but many football fans are hate filled morons, who's intention it is to hurt the club and any fan of the club they hate, others are just plain stupid.

              Even when something as serious as this issue is debated all they see is a chance to attack, regardless of the moral rights and wrongs of doing so, obviously we too have fans like this amongst us, it's inevitable.

              So on this particular issue, don't expect too much reason from fans of other clubs, they didn't understand nor try to understand when we campaigned for decades over Hillsborough, nor when we continuously pointed out our previous owners shamefull running of the club, so we shouldn't really expect much understanding on the subject of Luis, to them...this is just a stick they can pick up to try and beat us with, but of course....we won't be having that...and will give as good as we get....and better!
              Last edited by Vermilion; 22-12-11, 05:33 PM.

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                Good post mate. Thing is, you'd hope for better with journos.
                3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                  Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
                  Good post mate. Thing is, you'd hope for better with journos.
                  Ta. Tbh though, personally speaking, i don't, not for a long long time now.

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                    Sports journalists are ****ing knobheads who are made to write to sell papers.

                    Great post by the way Verm

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                      Please enlighten me shouldn't Suárez get the same ban for his middle finger as Rooney got when he said **** repeatedly? Or am I mistaken?

                      Great news floating around on the Danish web sites. Suárez's lawyer have said that Suárez is definitely going to appeal the sentence.
                      JUSTICE FOR THE 96!

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                        I'm finding this all hugely depressing to be honest.

                        Evra aggressively started a bit of needle about Suarez' baground derogatively IN SPANISH.
                        Suarez retorts in a calm but cheeky/condesnding manner using words that are genuinely not racist IN SPANISH.

                        Its pretty ****ing simple and none of it is racist. Evra is an utter disgrace and the FA needed to get this right. Its Terry they should make an example of unfortunately for them.

                        This will blow up pretty big too. the meat-head football fans/journos/players will only serve to make it all far far worse than it need be.

                        massive pressure on us now but great to see we're standing together and are going to be us against the world.

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                          Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
                          Glad to see a few people in papers speaking sense. Fair play to Ian Wright for not jumping on the bandwagon too- gained a lot of respect there.


                          He's hit the nail on the head.

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                            Originally posted by Philip FC Kopenhagen View Post
                            Please enlighten me shouldn't Suárez get the same ban for his middle finger as Rooney got when he said **** repeatedly?
                            Not at all. Theres many instances of players not even being charged when sticking their finger up so getting charged is a farce let alone a ban.

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                              You're both right if course, saw it with the whole Rafa thing. Just thought this was a little more sensitive, so had my (albeit small) hopes dashed again.
                              3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                                Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                                It's pissing me off the number of ex-players coming out with **** about Suarez, the club, the players and the fans backing him, and implying that we are condoning racism.

                                There seem to be alot of people taking the view that this issue is black and white, concluding that the word supposedly used can be taken as meaning 'black' therefore Suarez is a racist, without undertanding/knowing about any cultural significance elsewhere in the world. Britain is supposed to be a multicultural society but I think that this issue is bringing our alot of people's prejudices and xenophobia with comments such as 'he's in this country now' followed by implications that only cultural view is correct and that any other culture that has different views is inherently racist.

                                In a case such as this the FA should have explained their reasons for the verdict and the punishment when it was announced, because in a case as complex as this I think that it's important that everyone knows the reasons behind the decision and people can decide whether they agree with the FA's position on this. As they have admitted that this is a very difficult case with cultural considerations and the nuances of language, so to come out with just a verdict and no real explanation I feel is very unfair and doesn't help anyone. How difficult would have been to have said 'Luis Suarez said..., having spoken to people who understand the Uruguayan culture we believe the phrase to have this translation and we feel that this is racially offensive hence the punishment'. That way everyone would understand the situation.


                                Originally posted by Kenneth View Post
                                It wasn't exactly clever, but it shows how little we give a ****. We're going to fight the decision and support Luis as strongly as possible and **** what the FA or media think.



                                Originally posted by Vermilion View Post
                                Lots of them do understand, but many football fans are hate filled morons, who's intention it is to hurt the club and any fan of the club they hate, others are just plain stupid.

                                Even when something as serious as this issue is debated all they see is a chance to attack, regardless of the moral rights and wrongs of doing so, obviously we too have fans like this amongst us, it's inevitable.

                                So on this particular issue, don't expect too much reason from fans of other clubs, they didn't understand nor try to understand when we campaigned for decades over Hillsborough, nor when we continuously pointed out our previous owners shamefull running of the club, so we shouldn't really expect much understanding on the subject of Luis, to them...this is just a stick they can pick up to try and beat us with, but of course....we won't be having that...and will give as good as we get....and better!
                                Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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