Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[Shaggy]

Yep, that is a disgrace. Either that or an unfortunate choice of words.

Something else though to add to the list of stuff that stinks like ****ing ****.

[Exiled_red]

Something this fella said bugged me, and it's this....

At best that's very badly worded.

You'd think after a case like this people would be careful with the way they say things

Yep, that is a disgrace. Either that or an unfortunate choice of words.

Something else though to add to the list of stuff that stinks like ****ing ****.

[Shaggy]

Had to laugh at Wigan fans last night, chanting "racist".

People in Wigan. Chanting racist.

Can't wait for Oldham fans to get stuck in.

The not so delicious irony of meat-head football fans chanting "racist" at Suarez with the near-certainty that a large portion of them will be knuckle-dragging racists themselves.

[TheElephantMan]

We've been discussing this for two months, I wonder how long the gob****es currently spouting crap in the media have been considering this case? I've seen some very good articles prior to the FA hearing, but following the verdict the ex-footballers and so called "experts" have quite clearly not understood or don't want to understand the issues.

[Shaggy]

DickinsonTimes Matt Dickinson
Can only hope that Chelsea don't go down the T-shirt route tonight. That really wasn't clever either

[BillobShaisley]

I don't understand why the Fa needs to let the cps deal with this and leave Terry to carry on with being 1) england captain and 2) representing the chavs in their competition when they just banned Luis? This is baffling and smacks of double standards. And they have the arrogance to issue a no comment. They should already have had a contingency plan into place. ****ing cunts.

It's about not predjudicing a fair trial for JT (something the justice system has to adhere to even if the FA don't). Louis isn't yet banned pending any possible appeal.

Do I have faith that the FA will act against JT after the criminal process is finished? I think they will begrudgingly have to, I can't see how they can fail to do so and he will have to recieve at least the same punishment as Suarez. We'll have to wait and see, but there's enough to complain and argue about without speculating on that front.

[Kenneth]

It wasn't exactly clever, but it shows how little we give a ****. We're going to fight the decision and support Luis as strongly as possible and **** what the FA or media think.

[Tee]

T shirts were a brilliant idea. Inspired.

Why should we just lay down and let Luis be portrayed as a racist, which he clearly has been with this judgement. Th eplayers know him better than anyone and they wanted to show their support. Fair enough and what a great way to make a point to all those watching around the world.

Just a shame Adam didn't let Luis take the pen really. He would have buried it.

[TheElephantMan]

Has Glen Johnson twittered anything about the case? As our most high profile black player he could (not necessarily should) shed some positive light on Luis. With regard to the T-shirts I think the team should wear them at every match until Suarez' name is cleared.

[paulc]

It's pissing me off the number of ex-players coming out with **** about Suarez, the club, the players and the fans backing him, and implying that we are condoning racism.

There seem to be alot of people taking the view that this issue is black and white, concluding that the word supposedly used can be taken as meaning 'black' therefore Suarez is a racist, without undertanding/knowing about any cultural significance elsewhere in the world. Britain is supposed to be a multicultural society but I think that this issue is bringing our alot of people's prejudices and xenophobia with comments such as 'he's in this country now' followed by implications that only cultural view is correct and that any other culture that has different views is inherently racist.

In a case such as this the FA should have explained their reasons for the verdict and the punishment when it was announced, because in a case as complex as this I think that it's important that everyone knows the reasons behind the decision and people can decide whether they agree with the FA's position on this. As they have admitted that this is a very difficult case with cultural considerations and the nuances of language, so to come out with just a verdict and no real explanation I feel is very unfair and doesn't help anyone. How difficult would have been to have said 'Luis Suarez said..., having spoken to people who understand the Uruguayan culture we believe the phrase to have this translation and we feel that this is racially offensive hence the punishment'. That way everyone would understand the situation.

best summary i have read so far

[BillobShaisley]

Quite often in landmark decisions, a verdict is reached that baffles most normal people from the public, you know, relatively rationally-thinking Bobs and Claires.
The way it works, is that Bob and Claire don't know, and relatively few people even within know, that there are very often shadow people involved, above the instutition/above the court/above the judge. These are the (immensely powerful) people who come in at the last minute and say 'This is how it's going to happen.' And that's what happens.

I recall a case quite brilliantly, which was totally similar to this case, it ran on for ****ing years, ages, it was all over the press, everyone got involved, it went to the high courts and ****ing everything and in the end, when EVERYONE, even the accused, thought they'd be found guilty and face massive massive charges etc. the accused got off pretty much scott free. Now... anyone remember the banking charges cases? Lloyds etc.? And how - in the end - it was NOT deemed unlawful for them to be charging extortionate amounts of money for going 50p overdrawn? Everyone had their opinion on that ****. Same thing. It was clear as day, all the evidence pointed towards 35 quid/25quid for a printed letter to be sent out was 'extortionate and disproportionate with regards to the (automated) work effort needed to send out a 1-page document in the post'. I remember when the verdict was read, was a pretty nice day, ****ing ******s. Everyone 'knew' they'd get done, the banks would get done and have to pay back the unlawful charges. Did they ****! Same here, one rule for the peasants, one rule for the bosses and one rule for the overlords.

To be clear the judgement wasn't about what was fair or moral, but what was lawfull. If you signup to a contracted agreement with stated charges then its lawfull to enforce them. Law is impartial.

[danperkins]

Has Glen Johnson twittered anything about the case? As our most high profile black player he could (not necessarily should) shed some positive light on Luis. With regard to the T-shirts I think the team should wear them at every match until Suarez' name is cleared.

was thinking the same myself. Same as the likes of Alvaro Pereira from the national side. That would be a massive show of support for Suarez IMO.

[danperkins]

It's pissing me off the number of ex-players coming out with **** about Suarez, the club, the players and the fans backing him, and implying that we are condoning racism.

There seem to be alot of people taking the view that this issue is black and white, concluding that the word supposedly used can be taken as meaning 'black' therefore Suarez is a racist, without undertanding/knowing about any cultural significance elsewhere in the world. Britain is supposed to be a multicultural society but I think that this issue is bringing our alot of people's prejudices and xenophobia with comments such as 'he's in this country now' followed by implications that only cultural view is correct and that any other culture that has different views is inherently racist.

In a case such as this the FA should have explained their reasons for the verdict and the punishment when it was announced, because in a case as complex as this I think that it's important that everyone knows the reasons behind the decision and people can decide whether they agree with the FA's position on this. As they have admitted that this is a very difficult case with cultural considerations and the nuances of language, so to come out with just a verdict and no real explanation I feel is very unfair and doesn't help anyone. How difficult would have been to have said 'Luis Suarez said..., having spoken to people who understand the Uruguayan culture we believe the phrase to have this translation and we feel that this is racially offensive hence the punishment'. That way everyone would understand the situation.

quality post

[Shaggy]

It's one journo after another, they're queuing up to take potshots. Here's the latest.

IanDarkeESPN Ian Darke
Matt Lawton in Mail makes great point about Support for Suarez and Terry...how will it look for Liv and Chelsea if proved guilty of racism

[Lecter]

It's one journo after another, they're queuing up to take potshots. Here's the latest.

Suarez has already been found guilty though (in the FA's and the bulk of the medias eyes)

No one seems to get that despite the FA's decision the club are still standing by him, because the club perceive the FA's judgement to lack credibility

Without seeing the actual findings of the panel its hard to disagree with the club