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    Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Liverpool fear row could force Luis Suarez out of England

    By Chris Bascombe

    10:52PM GMT 03 Jan 2012

    The Merseyside club want Suárez protected if rival fans or players tarnish him as a racist because of the report of the Independent Regulatory Commission. The commission made it clear it did not consider Suárez a racist, and that a breach of rule E3 did not necessarily constitute racially motivated abuse. Liverpool expect the FA to act vigorously upon this should the South American be condemned in future.

    They scrapped an appeal because they feared the club would have been damaged by prolonging the saga, and felt pursuing their case for another two months just to reduce the ban would have been counter-productive.

    However, they are adamant the conclusions of the commission are biased heavily in favour of Evra, and insist there is still no corroborating evidence to validate his allegations.

    The club’s hierarchy — including principal owner John W Henry and chairman Tom Werner – remain convinced the commission took a pre-determined stance on the striker’s guilt. That is rejected by the commission, which says Liverpool had an opportunity to challenge the make-up of the panel before the hearing.

    Suárez, Liverpool believe, is an innocent victim being used as a scapegoat to enable the FA to show it takes a tough line on racism.

    At the heart of Liverpool’s continued rejection of the conclusions is a belief Evra’s evidence was not subject to the same levels of scrutiny as Suárez’s. Liverpool argue there are serious examples of Evra changing his story after giving evidence on Oct 15 which have been under-played, particularly in relation to the severity of the words used by Suárez.

    The commission did not consider it of great importance that Evra had claimed to be abused 10 times, in a TV interview on Oct 15, in the most severe of racial terms, but his manager said it was five times to the referee. The report settled on the use of the word “negro” – not the word originally claimed by Evra – seven times in its conclusions.

    Liverpool believe this is one of the most inconsistent aspects of the whole case, of fundamental importance to the credibility and accuracy of the accusation, and yet it has been barely given weight by the commission. They also feel the fact Evra admitted provoking Suárez with abusive language of his own should have led to disciplinary procedures.

    A thorough analysis of why Suárez pinched Evra, which the French defender himself admitted he had not even recalled or paid attention to during the game, was given huge importance by the panel.

    Liverpool are bemused why this was considered more significant than Evra’s insulting words to Suárez which started the altercation.

    Instead, the Anfield hierarchy suggest it is evidence related to what Suárez said, which altered during the course of witness testimony from Damien Comolli and Dirk Kuyt, which was decisive in the judgment.

    The Merseyside club are also disturbed that the FA met Evra three times before the commission sat, and Liverpool’s legal team were not aware of this until the hearing began.

    There has been no criticism from the club of their own legal team’s handling of the saga, but there are clear contradictions — and have been throughout — between what senior Anfield officials believe and what was actually said during the hearing.

    Liverpool know their new statement is likely to receive more criticism, but it was decided that abandoning an appeal to reduce the sentence, while re-emphasising their belief in Suárez’s innocence, was the only way to draw a line under the grubby saga.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...f-England.html
    Seems so straightforward to me. I cannot understand how the entire country, bar ourselves, can't see this.
    Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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      It's crazy and that line about them meeting Evra 3 times without us knowing is astonishing. This is the biggest stitch up ever in football and no one seems to care because the naughty foreigner is the one getting done.

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        You know, in light of this saga, I'm glad we've backed down. It's a gentleman's way of backing out, the universe will take care of the rest. I truly believe that. I think the FA think they've really won this one, but I think this case has set some wheels in motion that will eventually, when least expected, come to bite the FA in the arse. With this precedent set...
        I'm really sorry for Suarez in this, and whether he leaves or not, doesn't matter. Eventually justice will be served.

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          Now that we have accepted the ban does this allow us the opportunity to make a complaint to the FA relating to Evra's abuse which initiated this whole situation?

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            Originally posted by TheElephantMan View Post
            Now that we have accepted the ban does this allow us the opportunity to make a complaint to the FA relating to Evra's abuse which initiated this whole situation?
            Do you think they wouldn't have done so already, if they had the intention of doing so?

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              Originally posted by sean_lfc View Post
              You know, in light of this saga, I'm glad we've backed down. It's a gentleman's way of backing out, the universe will take care of the rest. I truly believe that. I think the FA think they've really won this one, but I think this case has set some wheels in motion that will eventually, when least expected, come to bite the FA in the arse. With this precedent set...
              I'm really sorry for Suarez in this, and whether he leaves or not, doesn't matter. Eventually justice will be served.
              Aye.

              This whole thing has really bothered me, it has consumed me. I've felt helplessly enraged at times. I wanted us, Suarez, to fight this every inch we could take it, as high as possible. There is no way this **** can stand up.

              But it's with the heaviest of hearts that I can accept, just about, what the club have done today. We have explicitly stated we don't accept their justice, in fact we despise it, but we will take the punishment and move on. I hate it, but I understand it and it's probably for the best.
              Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                Originally posted by sean_lfc View Post
                Do you think they wouldn't have done so already, if they had the intention of doing so?
                I don't know that's why I asked the question. Now that we have accepted the ban maybe we can pursue our own complaint against Evra?

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                  Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish offered a robust defence of the club's stance throughout the controversial Luis Suarez affair, despite the widespread criticism of their handling of the situation.The Reds boss argued that his player, who began his eight-match ban for racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra by sitting out Tuesday's loss to Manchester City, has been punished so severely by the FA because they were looking to make an example over any issues of racism.

                  "(Luis was) Wrong place, wrong time, it could have been anybody," he said. "There are a lot of things we'd like to say; a lot of things we could say, but we don't want to get ourselves in trouble."We know what is going on, we know what is not in the report and that is important for us.

                  "It really is very dangerous that you don't know the full extent of the hearing, and what was said. It is up to the club to decide what we want to do about that."If one of your guys was in trouble and you knew it was the truth he was saying, would you support him?"

                  "The players are showing their support for their team mate what is wrong with that? I think it is a fabulous statement (t-shirts) to make for a guy they give their support to in the dressing room and one of their closest friends in the dressing room."We are not digging a bigger hole for ourselves, it is unfortunate that we can not say any more. We have made a statement, and we can say no more."
                  Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                    We've definitely not heard the last of this.

                    Perhaps things will be "leaked" to the press in the coming weeks/months.

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                      Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                      Aye.

                      This whole thing has really bothered me, it has consumed me. I've felt helplessly enraged at times. I wanted us, Suarez, to fight this every inch we could take it, as high as possible. There is no way this **** can stand up.

                      But it's with the heaviest of hearts that I can accept, just about, what the club have done today. We have explicitly stated we don't accept their justice, in fact we despise it, but we will take the punishment and move on. I hate it, but I understand it and it's probably for the best.
                      I agree.

                      Sadly the issue is bigger and more emotive than a sporting one. I feel really sorry for Luis. He has been hung out to dry here, I wouldn't blame him at all if he left us. The problem he has is other than LFC supporters few people will ever remember more than Suarez = racist look into the story more than in just the headlines. And its the sensationalism that papers such as the Mirror are using, basically to sell papers, but definitely not to represent the truth of the club's statement.

                      If I were Suarez I'd be tempted to try and sue the papers for slander or defamation of character, but having accepted the ban, I am unsure what position he is left in for that.

                      Basically the whole situation ****ing stinks.
                      Modifying post.

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                        Originally posted by Reece View Post
                        We've definitely not heard the last of this.

                        Perhaps things will be "leaked" to the press in the coming weeks/months.

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                          Evra will fook the FA over. He is a bad snitch, when he leaves UTD, he will fook them over.

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                            Originally posted by Reece View Post
                            We've definitely not heard the last of this.

                            Perhaps things will be "leaked" to the press in the coming weeks/months.
                            What good will leaked drips and drabs do though? If it's anything significant it should have formed a major part of an appeal, or at the very least should have been included in tonight's statement in order to produce the biggest impact.

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                              Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                              Twitter is unbelievable. Every single journo, blogger, 'neutral'..........they are all still laying into us, ripping both the club's and Suarez's statements to shreds. Just **** off.

                              Yet it will be the same people bemused as to why the South American Federations don't support us next time the FA have a spat with FIFA.

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                                I can't understand The Mirror's approach to this, you would think that they would want to preserve their readership on Merseyside. It's generally regarded as a working class Labour supporting newspaper and I'm sure that it must be the second biggest selling newspaper on Merseyside after the Echo? I haven't bought it for a long time because it's full of celebrity gossip which doesn't interest me, but I would now make a conscious decision not to buy it on principle. Is that what they hoped to achieve with their back page "headlines"?

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