Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[danperkins]

Another one.

Do you work at the FA? How do you know what evidence has or has not been found?

Another Fergie / Blatter / FA conspiracy.

Did you disengage your brain before logging on?

Don't be a douche

Who said conspiracy sherlock? I merely suggested a culmination of events, that forced the FA into action, the Suarez statement being most influential IMO. And you'll notice question marks behind my initial comments.

Anyways If Suarez used racist remarks well then he does deserve to be punished, but IMO this statement is pretty odd:

It is alleged that Suarez used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United’s Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules.

And should be made clearer before any names are stained & our players performance could suffer in the meantime with this public charge.

[dom9]

Don't be a douche

Who said conspiracy sherlock? I merely suggested a culmination of events, that forced the FA into action, the Suarez statement being most influential IMO. And you'll notice question marks behind my initial comments.

Anyways If Suarez used racist remarks well then he does deserve to be punished, but IMO this statement is pretty odd:

It is alleged that Suarez used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United’s Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules.

And should be made clearer before any names are stained & our players performance could suffer in the meantime with this public charge.

Er, Don't be a douche

You said it 'smells of Fergie'. Sounds to me like you're saying it's a conspiracy.

What do you expect the FA to say in a statement? 'It is alleged that Suarez called Evra a derivation of the N word'? They have given sufficient detail as to what the charge is. The rest will come out during the hearing.

When the police charge someone, they usually give the bare minimum information. What the charge is (i.e. murder, assualt & battery), but not the method of the crime (stabbing, kicking etc), and who they are charging. That's about it. The rest comes out during the hearing.

[Chrono]

Most of you probably think its ok to use the p word.

What a thing to say Making comments like that helps nobody unless you genuinly believe that the majority of those on this site are racist.

[Jack D Rips]

Following a meeting of all 20 Premier League Clubs the League has today issued the following statement:

"The English game has been at the forefront of tackling racist behaviour and other forms of discrimination.

"Everybody in the game in England understands any form of racism is totally unacceptable.

"There are still issues, as there are in society, so with our partners, Kick It Out, the PFA and The FA, we must remain committed and vigilant to maintaining the standards we have set and confronting any incidents that occur.

"There is no place for discrimination in football and we will continue to strive to eliminate it."

[IN_RAFA_WE_TRUST]

i have a way with words, where i will say something that isn't meant to sound as bad as it is
probably would have went with do any of you lot think it's ok to use the p word , or do you use it when talking about the local small shop. etc

anyway i don't think there are that many racists on here
maybe 1% in total

[Bender]

i have a way with words, where i will say something that isn't meant to sound as bad as it is
probably would have went with do any of you lot think it's ok to use the p word , or do you use it when talking about the local small shop. etc

anyway i don't think there are that many racists on here
maybe 1% in total

you mean like Get out of my shop you ****ing kids ..................Rafa i think this is you

[Helios Creed]

i have a way with words, where i will say something that isn't meant to sound as bad as it is
probably would have went with do any of you lot think it's ok to use the p word , or do you use it when talking about the local small shop. etc

anyway i don't think there are that many racists on here
maybe 1% in total

I think the main difference is that the word he said is used to peoples' faces, whereas people in this country that claim that the P word (and the c word for an oriental takeaway) is a term of affection and not intended to cause offence, probably (hopefully) still dont use them in front of the people concerned, thus undermining their own argument slightly.

[Lecter]

Another one.

Do you work at the FA? How do you know what evidence has or has not been found?

Another Fergie / Blatter / FA conspiracy.

Did you disengage your brain before logging on?

Irrespective of conspiracies or no Ferguson has far too much influence both at the FA and the LMA

I dont think any subsequent manager of United will garner half the support, sympathy & backing he does from both of those organisations

Not saying anything about this individual case but as a general rule his influence is unhealthy imo

[IN_RAFA_WE_TRUST]

Term of affection?

[BobTheCharmer]

Term of affection?

yeah they love it down this way.

[dom9]

Irrespective of conspiracies or no Ferguson has far too much influence both at the FA and the LMA

I dont think any subsequent manager of United will garner half the support, sympathy & backing he does from both of those organisations

Not saying anything about this individual case but as a general rule his influence is unhealthy imo

OK - let me put it another way.

Would the outcome to date have been different if it was Wenger and Arsenal? I don't think it would have been.

[BillobShaisley]

Seems there's some confusion here

1) Jurisdiction

Is this a criminal/civil matter for the police to investigate? Has any law been broken? Or is this an internal society rules issue?

In the Terry case, there is clear use of a racist term, whether this constitutes and Assault is debateable and if so is a legal issue. Hence the police leading the investigation.

2) As no crime has been alleged, what rules have been broken?
Upon registration of a player I would be amazed if there is not a clause under which the player agrees to be bound be the rules of the FA while playing in the UK. As long as this contractual agreement is lawfull in itself then it will be given the power of law by agreement.

If we assume that this is all lawfull then we must then ask what are the rules about abusing opponents. We all see cursing and insults, sledging between players in virtually every game, yet in the FA's statement we see what appears to alude to 2 separate rules.

1) “It is alleged that Suarez used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United’s Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules.

Is this an FA rule or not? If it is, when has it ever been enforced? What are the implications of selectively enforcing it in Suarez's case? But not for calling someone a cunt or insulting their mums etc

2) "It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra.”

So is referring to race/colour/origin etc in itself against rules or only as part of abusive/insulting words/behaiour? Which agian leads back to an issue of selective enforcement. Suarez may claim the FA is descriminating against him if this is pursued where an assault cannot be evidencd.

3) Evidence

Suarez has made a statement which the FA will be treating as evidence. This was not under oath, so he would have the possible appeal through an employment tribunal or ultimately the courts.

4) Is 'Negrito' insulting or Racist?

TBH i've not got a ****ing clue these days whether intent is an issue or only how things are percieved by the 'victim'. Many employers policies put a very high (Legally challengably IMO) weighting on the perception of the 'victim'.

I have Brazilian inlaws who all refer to one of my brother in law as Neginho (roughly = little blacky) I can categorically state that the use of a reference to skin colour in this case does not autmoatically imply any insult or intent to abuse or belittle a person. It is entirely affectionate.

If it is simply something along the lines of Suarez saying "Negrito, stop crying like a little ****" then it will be very difficult.....no, risky for the FA to take action as it would leave them open to legal challenge.

[danperkins]

Er, Don't be a douche

You said it 'smells of Fergie'. Sounds to me like you're saying it's a conspiracy.

What do you expect the FA to say in a statement? 'It is alleged that Suarez called Evra a derivation of the N word'? They have given sufficient detail as to what the charge is. The rest will come out during the hearing.

When the police charge someone, they usually give the bare minimum information. What the charge is (i.e. murder, assualt & battery), but not the method of the crime (stabbing, kicking etc), and who they are charging. That's about it. The rest comes out during the hearing.

EDIT:I never said anything about a conspiracy. I said it's weird what's gone on, as in the released statement and the amount of time gone by since the incident. And fergie is well known or manipluating the media and stoking fires & Blatter is just a buffoon.

Like i said, if he said the "N" word then he deserves his punishment. The other story is that he called Evra "negrito" which means The Little Black person/Little black Fella in Spanish, referring to small stature a term used long ago by european explorers (according to the ever reliable wiki), and this term is used throughout south america and by south american soccer commentators all the time.

If it's just plain abuse and nothing racist, well then they might aswell start charging players in every single football game that is played as it is rife.

Sure let's hope that it's more south american slang more so than out and out rascism

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/spanish-slang-may-get-suarez-off-the-hook-6261881.html

[Lecter]

OK - let me put it another way.

Would the outcome to date have been different if it was Wenger and Arsenal? I don't think it would have been.

I did say my comments about Fergie were a general view and not related to this case

I have no idea about what the outcome would have been with another player, club & manager

Evra has form for this (accusing people of racially abusing him), we know that.

Any other involvement by people is purely hypothetical and cant be proven or disproved either way

[dom9]

Yes I know, but that's why I asked.

Exactly though. A lot of people seem unable to grasp your last point.