Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[dom9]

I can only see this part of your post from fah-q quoting you as you're on ignore, not quite sure why I'm bothering wasting my time responding to your hate-filled posts. But having spent quite a lot of time studying spanish, norwegian, mandarin, modern hebrew and farsi I only know one swear word, in Spanish - so I don't know why you have the assumption that everyone knows loads of swear words in a foreign language - maybe that says something more about your character if you indeed do. More to the point, first it was a racist word, and now suddenly it's any swear word.


Yeah it means black, well done, completely different connotations calling someone in spain a negro vs the other N word.

Ignore? That's cool. I'll answer anyway.

Not sure where you got hate filled from. I'm on the fence as I said. Oh yeah, I'm on ignore so you don't know that..

Thing about words such as negro is that they are used in different languages and acquire different meanings and connotations, as you know.

[Shaggy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/16/liverpool-patrice-evra-luis-suarez?CMP=twt_gu

Liverpool want Patrice Evra ban if Luis Suárez race claim is groundless

• 'Upset' Liverpool striker will fight any FA disciplinary case
• Manchester United may need statements from other players

Andy Hunter and Daniel Taylor

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 16 October 2011 22.31 BST

Liverpool have given their firm backing to Luis Suárez over his denial that he racially abused Patrice Evra at Anfield on Saturday – and want the Manchester United defender to receive a ban from the Football Association should his accusations prove groundless.

The Uruguay international has vehemently denied Evra's allegations that he racially abused him during Liverpool's 1-1 draw with United and will fight to clear his name if the FA decides to open a disciplinary case.

Suárez has also received a show of support from his employers. A Liverpool spokesman said: "Luis is adamant that he has not used language of that nature and the club is totally supportive of the player."

The inquiry will begin with the FA asking to speak to Evra on Monday to ascertain whether he intends to make an official complaint. Evra's accusation is that he was called "a ******" – the Senegal-born Frenchman said he heard it "at least 10 times" – but Suárez insists it is not true.

"I'm upset by the accusations of racism," he said. "I can only say that I have always respected, and respect, everybody. We are all the same." Liverpool have accepted Suárez's version of events and, given the potential repercussions for their striker if Evra's allegations are proven, believe the France international should have a disciplinary case to answer if allegations of this magnitude are dropped.

Evra, accompanied by Sir Alex Ferguson, asked to see the referee Andre Marriner, after the match to report the alleged incidents and later expressed his anger in an interview with Canal Plus.

"In 2011, there are things you can't say any more," he said. "The referee knows and there will be an investigation. But I don't want to repeat what he said." The interviewer asked if Suárez had used racist words and he replied: "Yes, he did. We can see thanks to the television what he said. He said it at least 10 times. We can read it on his lips."

Evra's complaints have been included in Marriner's match report but the referee has also informed the FA and the Premier League that the first he knew of it was after the match. The two players could be seen exchanging words at various points of the second half but it may count against Evra that he did not raise the alleged offence with Marriner during the game.

On that basis, Evra will almost certainly need back-up statements from his United team-mates if the FA is to decide there is evidence to make a case against Suárez. United would not say if there were witnesses to Evra's allegations but, without them, the authorities may decide it is a case of one man's word against another.

In 2008 Evra was at the centre of accusations that he was racially abused by a groundsman at Chelsea while warming down. But an FA hearing into the allegation – which was made by a Manchester United employee – found that it was not proven. Evra was subsequently banned for four games and fined £15,000 for his part in the post-match altercation with the groundsman. The controversy comes at a particularly bad time given that Saturday's match launched Kick It Out's three-week "One Game, One Community" action programme, with players from both sides wearing anti-racism T-shirts, and every manager through the leagues wearing one of the organisation's badges.

A message was read out before the game saying that Liverpool did not tolerate racism of any form, and there was a message in the club programme, including a telephone number for supporters to report anyone guilty of offences.

Lord Herman Ouesley, the chairman of Kick It Out, said any footballer guilty of racism should face "severe action" both from the FA and the player's club, but "you would have to be able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt".

He added: "There were incidents in the second half and Evra seemed to get very agitated so something was obviously bugging him because he was quite incensed. But if this happened he should have brought it to the attention of the referee at the time."

[little dave hedgehog]

i assumed that post was by leyton, but i guess it wasn't.

i only read the first and last sentences though.

[Shanks]

"There were incidents in the second half and Evra seemed to get very agitated so something was obviously bugging him because he was quite incensed.

But if this happened he should have brought it to the attention of the referee at the time."

Sounds like he's not exactly in the Evra camp at the moment..I think if this goes the distance without evidence, then Evra may be in the ****..

I'm sure if something was said or heard, the media would have been all over it by now.. with clips or soundbites..


I really hope Luis is the innocent party here..

[peekay]

On that basis, Evra will almost certainly need back-up statements from his United team-mates if the FA is to decide there is evidence to make a case against Suárez.

On what basis will that help. Their unblemished records of providing unbiased opinion on the game. Or is it their exemplary record of being model character witnesses provided by

David " Shoplifter" Degea
Ryan " I f***** my brothers wife and got her aborted" Giggs
Wayne "granny shagger" rooney
Rio " Serial adulterer and drug test misser " Ferdinand
Anderson "Drunk driver"
and finally Patrice " I refuse to train for my national team in the biggest competition on the planet" Evra

[ChesterDave]

Said it "at least 10 times". Given how many cameras are in the ground nowadays how can one of them not have picked a single one of those incidents up with any degree of certainty.

[Fivex]

On what basis will that help. Their unblemished records of providing unbiased opinion on the game. Or is it their exemplary record of being model character witnesses provided by

David " Shoplifter" Degea
Ryan " I f***** my brothers wife and got her aborted" Giggs
Wayne "granny shagger" rooney
Rio " Serial adulterer and drug test misser " Ferdinand
Anderson "Drunk driver"
and finally Patrice " I refuse to train for my national team in the biggest competition on the planet" Evra

Good points. It's funny how their fans completely ignore this stuff as well.

[Icon]

How can somebody be severely insulted 10 times over a 90 minute period and not do something about it?
Surely after the 2nd or 3rd time you'd blow your top..?

[peekay]

Patrice Evra was left isolated on Sunday night after accusing Liverpool striker Luis Suarez of racially abusing him.

Following a tempestuous Barclays Premier League game on Saturday lunchtime, Manchester United defender Evra launched a furious attack on Uruguayan Suarez forcing an FA investigation, which will continue on Sunday.

However, after the claims and the ensuing furore:

• Suarez denied any abuse and fought to clear his name.
• Sky Sports found no footage that supports Evra.
• It emerged that referee Andre Marriner did not hear any of the alleged 10 racist comments.
• While supporting their player, United are leaving the matter to the France left back.

Suarez used his official Twitter page to issue a statement on Sunday, in which he expressed his bitter disappointment. He categorically denies abusing Evra and the 24-year-old also has the unconditional backing of Liverpool.

He said: ‘I’m upset by the accusations of racism. I can only say that I have always respected and respect everybody. We are all the same. I go to the field with the maximum illusion of a little child who enjoys what he does, not to create conflicts.’

A Liverpool spokesman added: ‘Luis is adamant that he has not used language of that nature and the club is totally supportive of the player.’
Marriner was informed of the alleged incident after the game and included Evra’s claim in his match report.

The FA will now request to meet the Frenchman. Under their guidelines, Evra has to be the first man interviewed. If he maintains the allegations, Suarez will also have to explain himself. There is no time frame on how long the FA inquiry will take but it will not be rushed given the extreme sensitivity of the case.

The Liverpool striker found himself at the centre of a storm when Evra claimed in an interview with a French television station that Suarez had used the same racial insult ‘more than 10 times’ during the 1-1 draw at Anfield. It is understood the alleged word was ‘n*****’.

An FA spokesman said: ‘Referee Andre Marriner was made aware of the allegation at the end of the fixture and has subsequently reported this to the FA. The FA will now be making inquiries into the matter.’

Had Marriner heard any abusive language from Suarez, he would have shown a red card.

United will back Evra with whatever action he decides to pursue. But one anticipated problem is he did not complain about it during the game, which means he would need support from independent witnesses.

Evra, who walked out of Anfield on his own and was the last United player to board the team coach, told Canal Plus: ‘I was very upset. In 2011 you can’t say things like this. He knows what he said, the ref knows it. It will come out.

‘I won’t repeat what he said, but it was a racist word and he said it more than 10 times. He tried to wind me up. I won’t make a huge deal out of it but it is very upsetting and disappointing.’

Marriner was forced to speak to Evra and Suarez after they tangled midway through the second half and subsequently booked Evra for persistent dissent.

United's in-house television channel MUTV were forced to edit an interview with Phil Jones following Saturday’s game after he spoke out over the challenge from Rio Ferdinand on Charlie Adam. He said the Scotland midfielder dived to win the free-kick.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1azlTCgOK

If the bullet points are true, then the club should sue Evra.

[MrMichael]

He did go a bit mad during the game which led to him getting a booking for dissent, but despite that he doesn't seem to have mentioned the alleged racism to the ref until after the game. Which seems very odd.

According to tomorrow's Daily Fail (edit - ninja'd by peekay )

....after the claims and the ensuing furore:

• Suarez denied any abuse and fought to clear his name.
• Sky Sports found no footage that supports Evra.
• It emerged that referee Andre Marriner did not hear any of the alleged 10 racist comments.
• While supporting their player, United are leaving the matter to the France left back

The fact that Sky found no footage (and we know how hard they will have looked), despite Evra's claims that it happened more than 10 times and "there are cameras, you can see him", and that the ref hasn't heard anything despite Evra saying "the ref knows it, it will come out".... well, the whole thing seems more than a bit dubious. While if its true that ManU are leaving the matter to Evra alone that would seem to indicate that none of his teammates can confirm what he's said.

Seems to me like Suarez should start legal proceedings against him for slander

[MrMichael]

From: http://liverpool.theoffside.com/team...ial-abuse.html, the stuff about the Senagalese accusation really is bizarre

The truth—whatever it is—seems likely to win out in the end, but in the meantime, as unsavoury as the possibility that Suarez may have hurled racial abuse at Evra is, it also cannot be completely ignored that Patrice Evra has more than any other Premier League player found himself involved in charges of such abuse. And to date at least they have tended to paint a worse picture of Evra than they have of those claimed to have crossed a line in their comments to the French international:

In 2006, a pair of deaf Manchester United fans claimed to have lip-read Liverpool’s Steve Finnan targeting Evra with racial abuse. Evra himself would neither confirm nor deny these claims, which led to the case being investigated by the Manchester police who in the end dismissed it as pure nonsense with no grounding in reality. He also rather famously talked before World Cup 2010 about being the target of racist chants from Senegalese supporters who resented him choosing to play for France instead of the nation of his birth, claiming he had been targeted as a “monkey who grovels before the white man.” The idea of black supporters targeting a black player for abuse by calling him a monkey seems, at least on the surface, to be rather surreal and more than a touch ridiculous, and in the end no evidence of such chanting was ever found.

The best documented case of Evra and racial abuse, however, comes from 2008, when Manchester United accused a Chelsea groundsman of such in an attempt to have Evra’s four match ban for physically confronting said groundsman overturned. In the end their challenge would be labeled “inconsistent and unreliable,” the groundsman would be cleared, and Evra’s four match ban and £15,000 fine would be upheld.

[Red_Polo]

The bullet points are true, but I don't see that it proves anything either way, it's all circumstantial. I think chances are nobody will be punished for anything.

[Red_Polo]

He did go a bit mad during the game

He looked like a right clown! Behaved like a complete tit. I hope it's proven he made this **** up and gets punished, but I think it's pretty unlikely.

[MrMichael]

The bullet points are true, but I don't see that it proves anything either way, it's all circumstantial. I think chances are nobody will be punished for anything.

Nope, it doesn't prove anything. Other than the specific things Evra said to Canal+ are unreliable. The issue with stuff like this is that it sticks, no matter what happens from now on some people will believe that Suarez is guilty of making racist comments, when nobody (other than Evra and Suarez) really knows either way or seems likely to be able to shed any more light on it.

If he has said something along these lines its pretty appauling, but if he hasn't then imo he would be entirely justified in taking Evra to task for it.

[Red_Polo]

Nope, it doesn't prove anything. Other than the specific things Evra said to Canal+ are unreliable. The issue with stuff like this is that it sticks, no matter what happens from now on some people will believe that Suarez is guilty of making racist comments, when nobody (other than Evra and Suarez) really knows either way or seems likely to be able to shed any more light on it.

If he has said something along these lines its pretty appauling, but if he hasn't then imo he would be entirely justified in taking Evra to task for it.

Agreed. Though to be honest with you, judging by the current state of play, if there were an indeterminate conclusion to this I don't think Suarez would be the one getting laid into by the press. Evra being a tit with a healthy handful of circumstantial evidence pointing to him being a liar doesn't stack too well against Suarez' rather endearing and sincere tweet.