Evra accuses Suarez of racism

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TonyBarretTimes Tony Barrett
1 observation on Evra/Suarez row. Wouldn't it have been better for everyone if it'd remained private until & unless allegations are proven?

Too late now but it would have been much better.

I thought the same. Evra should have mentioned it to the referee during the match, who would have to have put it in his report and let the FA investigate it. Evra and Man Utd could have studied the tapes and passed on any evidence and an offical complaint to the FA who could have investigated it fully, but this shouldn't have been played out in the media.

[BillobShaisley]

If Suarez said something then Evra should have talked to the referee straight away so he could keep an eye on Suarez if he would say something more the rest of the game.

If Suarez is guilty then he deserves a long ban but if he isn't guilty then Evra should get a long ban.

It is completely down to Evra to find evidence that Suarez said something. It was his responsibility to talk to the ref the first time Suarez said something if he did that. He didn't do that and that clearly points to that Suarez isn't guilty.

It would be very very strange if Evra wouldn't care at all after the sixth or seventh time Suarez said something, very very strange.

Suarez will now have to live with this the rest of his career. No one will care if he is guilty or not. He is already painted out as a racist by Evra.

That makes the accusation by Evra even worse if Suarez isn't guilty. Then he should get a 10+ game ban. You simply don't accuse someone being racist without clear evidence.

If Evra had reported it a day after it happened and found evidence to support him then he would have acted the right way. Now he acted like an idiot.

Thing is, you can't prove a negative, i.e that it didn't happen. You can only find that there is a lack of evidence for it.

Should a woman crying rape have to have the offence proven or risk a jail term herself?

[Kenneth]

You can prove a negative though, although it will be difficult. If evra pin points when the abuse supposedly happened, and one of the mic's or cameras picked up the conversation, this could prove it either way, unless evra doesn't know when it happened, which would be odd. In reality, probably no such evidence exists so it will blow over with a stain left on Suarez's reputation. His future conduct will probably determine how people consider this 'incident'.

[Spanishfly]

Should a woman crying rape have to have the offence proven or risk a jail term herself?

IMO yes they should suffer something if it's PROVEN that it wasn't rape and was infact consensual. Not jail as such but maybe being the accuseds slave for 2 years or something.

[BillobShaisley]

You are missing the point Spanishfly.

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Thing is, you can't prove a negative, i.e that it didn't happen. You can only find that there is a lack of evidence for it.
Should a woman crying rape have to have the offence proven or risk a jail term herself?

You cannot really compare those 2 situations you mentioned.

Making a racial slur is not punishable by law, while the other one (allegations of physical violence) is prosecuted and punishable under The Criminal Code.

Also the first one (Evra's claim) would probably fall under Private/Civil Law (compensation for damages unless it could be proven that Suarez made verbal threats leading to physical violence) and the other one would be trialled under Public Law.

That said, I see where you coming from but I would think that the fundamental premise on which the justice system is based is that he/she is innocent unless proven otherwise and if he/she is found not guilty he/she should be fully exonerated and allowed to clear his/her name by the way of launching countersuit due to defamation of character.

If that is not the case than anybody could allege and accuse anybody over anything said.

In reality you are probably correct but that doesn't mean Luis' character should be questioned if no evidence (or lack of it) is found.

I would think he should be given the benefit of the doubt not the other way around.

[Assassin]

I just watched the game again. At no point during the coverage did I the alledged word said

Evra has a history of telling porkies, this is one of the reasons he is not being backed up by team mates or staff

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IMO yes they should suffer something if it's PROVEN that it wasn't rape and was infact consensual. Not jail as such but maybe being the accuseds slave for 2 years or something.

You racialist

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I just watched the game again. At no point during the coverage did I the alledged word said

Evra has a history of telling porkies, this is one of the reasons he is not being backed up by team mates or staff

I did the same and watched carefully all Suarez/Evra encounters and I could not see anything that Suarez said that could be construed as a racial slur*.


*I'm not fluent in Spanish but neither is Evra so that doesn't count anyways

[Norbs]

You racialist

You racialist wally

[Spanishfly]

SSN: Evra has said tonight to redface that he wants to pursue the matter...

[RichC]

he's in a rock and a hard place - it's either true and Suarez did say this or he didn't and he's making it up, either way he needs to be seen as pursuing this now esp. as we've made it clear if it's not true we'll be pushing for sanctions against him.

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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11667_7247723,00.html

Taylor to act as peacemaker
PFA chief offers to act as mediator in Suarez-Evra race row
Last Updated: October 17, 2011 4:34pm

Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has offered to act as a mediator in the Luis Suarez-Patrice Evra race row.

Manchester United full-back Evra has accused Liverpool striker Suarez of racially abusing him during a 1-1 draw between the Premier League giants at Anfield on Saturday.

The Football Association is to investigate the matter, with Evra having lodged a complaint.

Suarez claimed on Sunday to have been left 'upset' by the allegations, which he categorically denies.

Speaking at the Professional Players Federation (PPF) annual conference on Monday, Taylor said he would be prepared to mediate between the players if necessary.

He said: "It's something we've done in the past and it's something I hope we'll be asked to do in the future.

"We need to try to cool down and reflect on what happened and to contact the FA and see what form their inquiry will take.

Serious issue

"It's good to get this put behind us as quickly as possible instead of letting these things fester and become blown up again."

He added: "It's very disappointing to have two of our players from different countries at odds over a very serious issue.

"Only by having a full inquiry on such matters can we get to the bottom of it and try to make sure that such problems don't arise again in the future."

Kick It Out chairman Lord Herman Ouseley believes any footballer guilty of racism must face 'severe action' from both the Football Association and the club they represent, but has stressed that 'you would have to be able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt'.

The head of football's equality and inclusion campaign said in a statement: "There were incidents in the second half (of Saturday's match) and Evra seemed to get very agitated so something was obviously bugging him because he was quite incensed.

"But if this happened he should have brought it to the attention of the referee at the time.

"No doubt the FA will take the matter seriously and consider the complaint fully in order for them to take appropriate action."

[BootRoom]

The worry here is that ginsoak gets involved and 'corroborating' statements from some of their players miraculously appear.

[Assassin]

The worry here is that ginsoak gets involved and 'corroborating' statements from some of their players miraculously appear.

Evra is a lieing *******. The mercurial man was quick to bad mouth Adam for diving and his statement was deleted from the manc website. If anyone had heard that type of allegation, it would have been out straight after the game